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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#31251: Oct 23rd 2023 at 3:31:58 PM

[up]Oh, whoops, somehow missed him after going through the whole thing three times.tongue

Edited by lbssb on Oct 23rd 2023 at 6:32:28 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31252: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:13:51 PM

I thought Morbius had been a hero since Midnight Sons. I used to read his comic.

I thought Morlun was, "Shitty Morbius substitute that has Thor strength."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31253: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:23:03 PM

Morlun is too cowardly to wear a disco collar

Although he did wear a t-shirt once.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31254: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:30:31 PM

I actually like Morlun, though I understand that some people don’t because he’s heavily tied to the whole Spider-Totem element that JMS introduced, which is controversial (I personally really like it, or rather, I liked it as it was when JMS wrote before Dan Slott ruined both the idea AND Morlun with the Spider-Verse/Inheritor crap).

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#31255: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:35:38 PM

The Kingpin served as Spiderman's arch-enemy in the 90s cartoon but even then when Daredevil turned up it was apparent who was really the Kingpin's arch-enemy and it wasn't Spiderman.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31256: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:35:52 PM

The first Spiderverse was fine. The whole concept wore out its welcome when it became just a routine yearly thing to do. I also like that one of the Spiderverses had Morlun sidelined the whole time because he'd been shot with an assload of tranquilizer darts, in his ass. I like how another Spiderverse had Morlun as an ally and still required murdering him for victory to be achieved.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#31257: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:44:09 PM

Honestly, I'd say Spider-Man's most iconic, persistent, and frequently adapted archnemesis has gotta be J. Jonah Jameson.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#31258: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:46:11 PM

Mister Negative and Overdrive being among the few modern (and for that matter, BND Villains) to make a name for themselves as Spidey Rogues is kinda cool to me.

Lots of dudes have tried and failed, but they made it, despite coming from a despised arc.

It'll be interesting to see if one day someone pulls off what they did.

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#31259: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:48:53 PM

[up][up] And last I checked, even Jolly Jonah isn't an antagonist anymore, now that he's privy to Peter's secret and one of his supporters.

Edited by TrashJack on Oct 23rd 2023 at 7:49:09 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31260: Oct 23rd 2023 at 4:56:20 PM

[up][up]Yeah, Negative and Overdrive’s story is downright inspiring. The start of one of the worst periods in Spider-Man’s history, an era that’s still ongoing, but they were such good points of light in the Post-OMD horror that they became lasting additions. Negative even got to be a member of the Sinister Six even in the Insomniac games, something usually reserved for the biggest of big deals of Spidey’s rogues!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31261: Oct 23rd 2023 at 5:42:47 PM

The biggest deals and Shocker huhuhu

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31262: Oct 23rd 2023 at 6:25:44 PM

Screwball also made it into the video games after starting out in BND, people just don't like her there either.

One of the cartoons made her Liz Allen for some reason.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#31263: Oct 23rd 2023 at 6:29:48 PM

The recent Marvel's Spider-Man was the one that did that.

Probably did it to soften Screwball up a bit, since she's otherwise kinda a glory hog who deliberately endangers people for her show isn't she?

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#31264: Oct 23rd 2023 at 6:35:12 PM

and while I prefer Venom as a villain, he’s spent so long being so thoroughly developed into a good guy since the Cates run that making him evil again would be a travesty.

That's why Eddie throwing hands with Spidey again during Dark Web fell so flat for me.

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#31265: Oct 23rd 2023 at 6:39:04 PM

[up][up][up] In fairness, I don't think we were supposed to like Insomniac-verse Screwball.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#31266: Oct 23rd 2023 at 7:07:12 PM

Characters like Jonah and Eddie going from antagonists to allies, and even friends, of Spider-Man are perfectly fine long-term arcs for these characters to go through. See my old comments about the N64 Spider-Man game and how Eddie is a hilarious douchebag ally of Peter in that game.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31267: Oct 23rd 2023 at 7:20:12 PM

[up]Yeah, I’m totally fine with antagonists becoming good guys as long as its done well and its a natural progression for their character. Jonah and Eddie becoming friends worked okay because it was a natural development for them, especially Jonah.

But that’s the important part, those face turns didn’t happen overnight they happened over long periods of character development and progress, and the characters themselves had traits that made them CAPABLE of getting fluid redemption arcs; Jonah was always a Jerk with a Heart of Gold and even at his most villainous, Eddie had sympathetic qualities and never went over the Moral Event Horizon (which was even why Carnage was created; as a Symbiote villain who could cross the lines Eddie wouldn’t). I may prefer Eddie as a villain and wish he had never been redeemed, but I won’t deny that he’s been developed into that redemption in a fairly fluid and decent way and to make him evil again would be to undo years, maybe decades, of character growth which is unacceptable.

Contrast that with guys like Norman — who got his evil literally shot out of him to railroad him into being a hero — and Otto, who was declaring his intent to secure his legacy by becoming the biggest mass murderer in human history mere months before Dan Slott began his quest to make him into an Anti-Hero.

Edited by immortaleditor on Oct 23rd 2023 at 7:21:59 AM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#31268: Oct 23rd 2023 at 9:31:16 PM

There's a lot of Spider-Man characters who have a very clear and direct path to follow that they can't and won't because of the nature of serialized storytelling. Take Curt Connors.

As far as I'm concerned he is the kind of character who should be a villain once in any Spider-Man story. He loses his arm, he tries to grow it back via mad science, he turns into The Lizard, Peter defeats him and turns him back to normal, and Curt carries that memory of turning into a monster with him for the rest of his life, but otherwise moves forward. Peter earns the mutual trust and respect of a fellow scientist and proves himself just as capable and intelligent as one, and possibly uses that experience going forward to helping other people who have been transformed into monsters. Like Morbius, maybe John Jameson, and the people transformed during Spider Island.

Or for another villain, Kraven. He had a good death in Kraven's Last Hunt. Resurrecting him, cloning him, replacing him with his kids; all of those ideas are dumb. He's the kind of guy who should have been laid to rest for good. You can maybe have a scene with him and a Peter who's at death's door, alternatively mocking him or encouraging him out of a twisted sense of respect and honor, but once he dies, he ought to stay dead for good.

Norman, well we're talked about Norman a lot. He should have stayed dead after impaling himself on his own glider. Harry should have been the main bad guy of the Clone Saga, and any clone Normans should have died there with him in lieu of Ben and Mayday.

All ideas that didn't happen in the mainline comics, and can't anymore, but that adaptations can take.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31269: Oct 23rd 2023 at 9:33:41 PM

A lot of people believe Kraven's Last Hunt is the last story they should do with him.

And...honestly, I really dislike that attitude.

Especially as its the attitude Spencer took to retcon out Squirrel Girl's handling of him.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#31270: Oct 23rd 2023 at 9:51:23 PM

Another Spider-Verse event is the making for 2024, and to kick it off, there is a new Edge of Spider-Verse mini-series in February, introducing a Spider-variant of... Cyclops?

Is his love interest Mary Jean? Madeline Stacy?tongue

Edited by Zarius on Oct 23rd 2023 at 9:51:42 AM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#31271: Oct 23rd 2023 at 9:51:25 PM

I kinda liked clone kraven thanking goblin peter for what he did to him, saying how he was in the same situation as his father and grandmother but didnt take his life and he knows however he does die it will not be by his own hand. it was a nice beat.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31272: Oct 23rd 2023 at 10:04:27 PM

ANOTHER Spider-Verse event?

Come up with something new.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31273: Oct 23rd 2023 at 10:10:46 PM

I think reviving Kraven was a bad choice, especially because we had to sacrifice Mattie for it.

I think that it was really weird that Dan Slott apparently didn't have any ideas for the character after reviving him, and brought him back for one story only.

At least they did stuff with Norman and Harry post revivals, Kraven got nothing until Squirrel Girl, and that was a few years later.

Edited by Joshbones on Oct 23rd 2023 at 10:21:21 AM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#31274: Oct 23rd 2023 at 10:16:44 PM

He was in scarlet spider for a bit trying to get Kaine to kill him because Kaine sacrificed was the one who revived him

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31275: Oct 23rd 2023 at 10:52:17 PM

That Cyclops design is not a good look

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