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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

Please follow the spoiler policy rules - tag spoilers for the latest issues, for any previews or content leaks, and for off-topic comics. When including spoiler tags, try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?).

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#31026: Oct 16th 2023 at 1:09:10 AM

Discussions that are solely about adaptations are off-topic.

Discussions of "the differences between the adaptations and the original comics" are fine, as long as spoilers are tagged.

Rudeness and snark aimed at other tropers is likely to be thumped.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#31027: Oct 16th 2023 at 1:55:30 AM

Sorry for the rudeness.

Let's swing back on topic

Mary Jane's next appearance as Jackpot will be in February's Women of Marvel one-shot, one of the writers confirmed for it is Gail Simone.

TigerClaw Since: Oct, 2023
#31028: Oct 16th 2023 at 2:37:29 AM

"try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?). "

But writing "you know, [game spoiler]" for an unreleased game in the comic book thread during NYCC weekend with announcements is acceptable.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31029: Oct 16th 2023 at 3:24:23 AM

So uh, in honor of Venom coming back in game format, anyone remember Spider-Man web of shadows?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#31030: Oct 16th 2023 at 3:33:31 AM

[up][up]To be fair, I wouldn't see "adaptation X sounds like it's doing better than the source material" statements with no further detail as a spoiler.

But, yeah, it's generally worth being specific about the work/chapter/episode that's being spoiler tagged.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#31031: Oct 16th 2023 at 3:50:48 AM

[up][up] Evil Spider-Man ripping wolverine in half, hooking up with Black Cat and letting symbiotes overrun Manhattan.

....remember when Peter going bad in the black suit was an oh crap moment.

The old zero punctuation review is still hilarious

Edited by FKJ10 on Oct 16th 2023 at 3:51:21 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31032: Oct 16th 2023 at 3:51:45 AM

[up] Oh man, that takes me back, thanks.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#31033: Oct 16th 2023 at 4:44:37 AM

Speaking of the black suit, I've always wondered if there has been any adaptation of Spider-Man that has Peter independently create one without Symbiote stuff getting involved? It's not too outrageous for him to think up of a variant of his suit for late night sneaking around and to eventually get around to making one.

Dayraven1 Since: Aug, 2023
#31034: Oct 16th 2023 at 4:52:15 AM

Not his own creation, but otherwise the stealth suit in Far From Home is pretty much that.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31035: Oct 16th 2023 at 10:46:42 PM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/download_1_517.png

Damn, this behavior is just unprofessional.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#31036: Oct 16th 2023 at 11:33:45 PM

[up]Yikes. It does further illustrate that there really isn't a defense for keeping OMD going though.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#31037: Oct 17th 2023 at 1:28:04 AM

Even post-OMD readership want this darn thing resolved huh?

See, this is the drawback with attracting new readers with your 'revised' history, ultimately those readers will do their research and go through back issues and prior trades and learn of what is missing, and they may actually enjoy it enough to want to see it continue.

Edited by Zarius on Oct 17th 2023 at 1:30:03 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31038: Oct 17th 2023 at 1:28:51 AM

Cebulski is probably salty that people aren't attached to Gwen X Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#31039: Oct 17th 2023 at 1:33:16 AM

Most people under the age of 60 aren't. Even those that are do so because of reinventions of Gwen that are infinitely more interesting than her post-Ditko version (which was also very short lived).

People just like the marriage. The fact that so many adaptations of Spider-Man go the route of Peter x MJ, and those that don't rarely offer a compelling alternate romance, means that there will always be new generations of Spiderfans who wandered into the mainline comics just waiting for editorial to quit being childish and stubborn.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31040: Oct 17th 2023 at 6:51:34 AM

It’s always been the case that even people who came in after OMD or before Peter got married near-universally prefer married Peter. Any claim to the contrary is just Spider-Editorial lying to justify their position. The idea that people have ever liked Spider-Man more as a single high schooler or college student has never been supported by anything, ever, and the only possible evidence one could offer for it has so many strings attached that it defeats its own argument (e.g., Ultimate Spider-Man has been offered as evidence of people preferring teenage Peter and disliked MJ… leaving out that the reason Ultimate did so well was because it came out right after the Clone Saga, Final Chapter, AND the “MJ on a plane” arcs where Editorial nearly crashed and burned the comic trying to make Peter younger and get rid of MJ, as well as that Bendis was a supporter of the marriage and made clear constantly that he intended for Ultimate Peter and MJ to be each other’s one true love).

And it’s totally unsurprising that this is the case. The entire appeal of Spider-Man was watching him grow up and get older and develop as he did, so naturally him getting married to his true love was a perfect expression of that. Leaving that aside, most of the series’ best or at least most important stories came AFTER the marriage, or served as build-up to the marriage by developing Peter and MJ’s relationship. Most of Peter’s history had him and MJ either together or clearly built up as the OTP. There’s no way of getting around that.

And that’s without getting into how most of the Post-OMD stories have just plain SUCKED and the few actually good ones either could’ve easily functioned with (or even been improved by) Peter and MJ married or were built around trying to get them back together.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#31041: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:07:11 AM

somewhere that damnable fiend Mephisto is cackling

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31042: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:07:40 AM

Mephisto will forever be protected by Marvel editorial.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31043: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:08:36 AM

Can’t believe marvel hails satan smh

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#31044: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:20:52 AM

I thought Marvel was a family company but nooooo they're too busy worshipping their dark lord!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31045: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:45:30 AM

I’ll never get over Joe Quesada proudly declaring that the reason they didn’t just have Peter and MJ divorce or something was because they saw him being divorced as making him “too old” and was inappropriate for the kiddies… but making deals with Satan is fine. Not to mention OMD preceded Brand New Day which was largely made up of some of the darkest, most graphic, most adult storylines Spider-Man has ever done, like Grim Hunt and Shed. Really shows how screwed up the folks in Spider-Editorial are.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31046: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:46:28 AM

Yeah, I read Shed as a kid, and swore off Spider-Man comics, that was the story that killed Spider-Man for me for years.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31047: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:48:20 AM

Weird priorities on what does and does not age the character

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31048: Oct 17th 2023 at 8:52:32 AM

[up][up]Understandable, Shed is gnarly and one of the pictures of everything wrong with OMD/BND. To say you’re going back to some upbeat, lighthearted era of Spider-Man and then one of the first big things you do is Lizard eating a child alive on-panel speaks to the insanity going on in that office.

[up]Yeah, their priorities have always been bizarre like that. Peter can encounter constant graphic violence and sex, but the second he commits to a serious relationship or anything like that suddenly its made the character too mature.

Edited by immortaleditor on Oct 17th 2023 at 8:54:06 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#31049: Oct 17th 2023 at 10:08:03 AM

Back in the 80s we almost got Spider-Man: The Gilded Cage, a canceled mid-80s graphic novel that had Spider-Man get mowed down by a machine gun and be nursed back to health by Carla DelVeccio, a mob boss's wife, and eventually romance her. Jim Shooter approved the story but the artist team was delayed so much that by the time they got to work on it, the editor had changed to Tom DeFalco, who killed the story. What remains of the story can be found as a rough draft, a Cracked article with some pages colored in, and a summary with some black-and-white pencils.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31050: Oct 17th 2023 at 1:24:06 PM

I admit from my perspective as a Spider-Man fan, that sounds much more like a Daredevil story.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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