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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#30876: Oct 10th 2023 at 3:39:01 AM

> So does anyone have any bets how Peter might kill Paul?

he robs him

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30877: Oct 10th 2023 at 3:41:58 AM

Yeah we've heard the slang. tongue

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30878: Oct 10th 2023 at 10:58:45 AM

https://www.amazon.com/SPIDER-GIRL-MODERN-ERA-EPIC-COLLECTION/dp/1302957953/

Another reprint of Spider-Girl's early adventures. If anyone missed out on the Complete Collection version there you go.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#30879: Oct 10th 2023 at 12:23:08 PM

A reread of Spider-Girl plus new game coming up soon is exactly the sort of pallet cleanser I need from the Wells Hell. God, I love MC 2. It’s awesome and I still consider it effectively the canon future for the MU in my personal canon.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30880: Oct 11th 2023 at 12:06:52 AM

[up]Yeah, the more time marches on, I'm convinced Spider-Girl is what really happened to the original versions of Peter and MJ. I love JMS to death but I'm perfectly content thinking of it more as the path towards Renew Your Vows too.

Ron Frenz has told fans at conventions he never liked what Marvel did to Mayday after he and Tom D were relieved of the character, and even said if they ever got to work on her again they would follow up on what they got away with last time and just ignore the post-Spider-Verse changes (don't see the point really, Marvel walked back on those changes for the most part anyway)

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30881: Oct 11th 2023 at 12:09:58 AM

Yeah, I’m thinking of buying a collection and going over the story bit by bit again.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30882: Oct 11th 2023 at 2:45:40 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/9bac91e3_6e06_4f94_9ae4_8f7c4e9bcf74.jpeg

Hey, we have an out for the Wells MJ.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30883: Oct 11th 2023 at 3:08:46 AM

[up] I like that cover, but it makes me wonder if it's 'true'.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30884: Oct 11th 2023 at 6:49:11 AM

Superior Spider-Man Returns

Largely flashbacks. Estrella Lopez is a former assistant and Spiderling minion who gave Otto the code he needed to harness the power of the sun, Otto takes full credit for the idea and his henchmen all agree...despite all being within earshot of her as she suggested herv idea. While Otto/Peter has dinner with Anna Maria, Estrella attempts the experiment herself (she even gets to say the "power of the sun" line from Raimi's Spider-Man 2), it goes wrong and it transforms her into an energy being. She begins calling herself Supernova and battles Otto, who is able to contain her.

In the present, Otto attempts to activate the device, only to inadvertedly free Supernova. She vows revenge on Spider-Man, not realizing he was Otto, and takes off. Otto is quite happy about this, as it means Spider-Man has a new obstacle

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30885: Oct 11th 2023 at 7:33:10 AM

I had a dream where Wario was a Spider-Man villain.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30886: Oct 11th 2023 at 7:33:21 AM

[up]x4: Pfffft! [lol] I kid you not, I'd actually roll with this.

[up][up] Wait.

Wait wait wait.

So the SpOck stuff is flashbacks and Otto doesn't really go back to being the Superior Spider-Man per se in the present?

I mean, I was meh on them bringing back SpOck in the first place, but to not actually go through with it? Geez, now I'm glad Slott blocked me.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 11th 2023 at 10:34:31 AM

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#30887: Oct 11th 2023 at 7:46:16 AM

[up] The ending of the one-shot says "To be continued in... 'Superior Spider-Man' #1", so I'm assuming Otto is still going to end up with Spider-powers again, it just didn't happen in "Superior Spider-Man Returns".

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30888: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:25:46 AM

[up] I guess it figures? But when something is called "Superior Spider-Man Returns" and he doesn't actually return right there and then, we might as well call it "Superior Spider-Man In The Slow Process of Returning".

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30889: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:57:52 AM

I had a dream where Wario was a Spider-Man villain.

....Go on.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30890: Oct 11th 2023 at 10:02:31 AM

@Red Hunter 543 Skrull MJ would be the only acceptable answer next to all just a dream.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30891: Oct 11th 2023 at 10:19:14 AM

[up][up] I don't even know, he was just there among the Enforcers and Mysterio. XD

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#30892: Oct 11th 2023 at 7:43:30 PM

Finally we see the debut of Black Widow's symbiote. It's fine, nice look and decent enough unique abilities.

Kinda wish authors would focus on expanding the many symbiotes already there, but the main thrust of the issue was on Toxin so they technically were doing that.

#IceBearForPresident
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30893: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:06:55 PM

Huh, whatever happened to Patrick? Toxin's first host?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#30894: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:09:30 PM

He died offscreen. So offscreen that it took a twitter post to tell us how.

Blackheart beat him to death "in a gutter", stole the symbiote, and ate his wife and baby. Toxin then somehow ended up in a mobster's possession.

...

I remember when Toxin was getting pushed to be as popular as his pops and grandad.

#IceBearForPresident
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#30895: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:10:39 PM

[up][up] Patrick was Killed Off-Panel by Blackheart to get the Toxin symbiote back in the "Agent Venom" era of the Venom comics a little over a decade ago.

EDIT: [nja]

Edited by TrashJack on Oct 11th 2023 at 11:10:53 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30896: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:11:20 PM

He died off-panel, if I recall.

Toxin's next appearance was a with Eddie Brock as it's host.

[nja]

Edited by Akirakan on Oct 11th 2023 at 10:11:50 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30897: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:22:15 PM

Geez. That seems like overkill

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#30898: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:39:25 PM

Written by Rick Remender, who was often criticized for borderline contemptuous death scenes.

Why still don't know why he abruptly left Marvel, incidentally. He left a lot of unfinished storylines behind.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Oct 11th 2023 at 10:40:41 AM

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#30899: Oct 11th 2023 at 8:57:03 PM

I vaguely liked Eddie's stint with Toxin. At least eventually, his initial portrayal as "Mid-to-early Venom, but orange" was lame.

I also really dig the current stint with Bren Walters. Venom, Rascal (re: basically Carnage) and Toxin being bonded to pre-teens who are kinda-sorta friends with each other isn't a bad idea.

I still think Patrick Mulligan had the best potential though. It's a shame his one mini-series killed his hype (and by extension, him).

#IceBearForPresident
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30900: Oct 12th 2023 at 12:20:09 AM

Saw the new issue.

My god, they are turning this series into Ben 10.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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