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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30826: Oct 8th 2023 at 12:03:29 PM

If he’s still hiding that he killed a baby then he is not free of sin. Also as a rich CEO he’s just steadily accumulating many sin every second.

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#30827: Oct 8th 2023 at 12:18:03 PM

[up] wild mass guess Maybe Wells is deliberately angling that for a big reveal from Sinless-Norman just before he inevitably turns back into a cackling psychopath: that despite what Mac Gargan claimed way back when, 616-Mayday is still alive, and that she has been ever since her supposed "stillbirth" and kidnapping by Osborn-minion Allison Mongrain during the tail end of the Clone Saga. wild mass guess

...

Oh, who am I kidding? There's no way Spider-Editorial will ever let that happen for fear of aging their mass-marketable eternal-twentysomething, and even if they did, Wells is absolutely not the writer to handle it.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30828: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:32:48 PM

[up][up]I feel like we kind of need to accept that comic CE Os follow very different rules from real life ones. It's the only way we can keep rooting for the likes of Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark and Ted Kord.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30829: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:37:15 PM

[up]

Agreed. Most Comicbook CE Os (specifically the ones that are superheroes) should not be judged with the same brush as 99% of real life CE Os. It's a disservice to them as characters to do other wise. Hell, we've talked about how the entire point behind Tony is that Stan wanted to create a character people would hate and make them cheer for him.

Norman ain't on that list however. He needs to be burned with all the things that are flammable.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30830: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:46:57 PM

Put him out on burnable trash day

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30831: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:53:50 PM

[up]

I accept this solution.

One Strip! One Strip!
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30832: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:57:17 PM

So we need to hire.......

....

Who are Marvel's fire-based villains, anyway? I can think of more than one DC fire villain but not any Marvel.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30834: Oct 8th 2023 at 4:30:40 PM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12966307980A80182800&page=1233#comment-30809

Ehhhhh.

I want to believe that we'll be on the road to healing, but I'm about convinced that Wells' train of thought is "how can I make Peter suffer more than he already has?" Because the rumors sound sensible, but Wells has proven that he doesn't know sensible. Plus, I got a bud on Twitter who's been keeping tabs on the Wells' ASM train and he doesn't really buy it either.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30835: Oct 8th 2023 at 5:12:42 PM

@windeleopard On Queenpin Felicia, difference is no one liked Felicia as a crime boss.

So like Gwen Stacy in Sins Past fans chose to ignore it until it got thrown away.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#30836: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:52:54 PM

I do wonder where the contemptuousness toward MJ, specifically, comes from, since none of Spidey's other love interests are treated as badly as her. I mean, if it was motivated by preferring the days when MJ was the Romantic False Lead and Gwen was The One, why not revive Gwen then? If you wanted to force the issue there's evidence you can use to say she's STILL The One, even, like House of M.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30837: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:57:57 PM

I doubt that.

I think it's just that they don't want Spidey to be married, and MJ is in the way of that.

The problem is, they let him marry her, and then found that they couldn't wind the clock back like they wanted.

Unlike Gwen, MJ is just completely untouchable. This should have been clear when she completely eclipsed the girl she was supposed to be playing second fiddle to.

And MJ lacks any of the other factors that let Conway make The Night Gwen Stacy Died either, despite apparently being disliked by the writers as well.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30838: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:59:21 PM

[up][up] I suspect that Wells is only familiar with the Raimi movies.

So he only knows the most unlikeable version of MJ.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#30839: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:05:11 PM

I know we tend to forget a lot about Brand New Day, but Zeb Wells was a writer in that Era. He wrote the stuff his run is a sequel to, and he wrote that issue where Lizard ate his son.

I don't think a single issue this run has can be chalked up to him not knowing the character. Slott knew the character and I hated half of the decisions he made.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30840: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:10:30 PM

Yeah, I remember that he wrote the issue where Lizard ate his son, and that’s the issue that turned me off Spider-Man for half a decade or so.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30841: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:38:03 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yep. MJ represents the exact opposite of what they want Peter to be...the eternally young and single loser. But as the saying goes "you can't unring a bell". No matter how hard they try...Peter has long since outgrown the tiny box they want him in. And they blame MJ for it.

Edited by knightstorm on Oct 8th 2023 at 7:40:04 AM

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#30842: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:39:01 PM

Having read Deadly Neighborhood Spiderman I wonder if this entire run will end with Peter suddenly waking up in a typical psychologist's office, and then he turns around and sees the Demon Bear sitting there with its head sticking out of a tux.

"I'VE BEEN LOCKED IN A DEMON BEAR NIGHTMARE."

"(ROAR INTENSIFIES)"

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#30843: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:46:29 PM

"he wrote that issue where Lizard ate his son." Amazing Spider-Man should not have children being eaten. ASM should be a more family-friendly book than that.

Wells did a couple Carnage minis, didn't he? With Clayton Crain on art? As I recall, those were pretty good. They seem to be up Wells' wheelhouse. I get the feeling he does fucked-up really well, it's just that ASM isn't the right place for his kind of fucked-up. Daredevil could get away with it. He could probably do a solid Dr. Strange. So there are big-name comics where Wells would likely do really good work.

I just feel like ASM is a comic that should strive to be largely family-friendly. He's the guy on the lunch boxes, you know? Kids love Spider-Man. If parents want to get their kids into comics, Spidey's one of the best characters to do that with. And Marvel could definitely use some kid-friendly stuff. Taking a look at the December solicits, the kid-friendly stuff is: Spider-Boy, Secret Wars (I assume), Fantastic Four, maybe that Silver Surfer mini that seems to be a throwback. Maybe one or two others. There are some options, sure.

But I still feel like Marvel should try to get ASM back to being more kid-friendly than it seems to have been lately. And having a dude who previously wrote a Spider-Man issue where a dude eats his own kid is, uh, maybe not the way to do that.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30844: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:51:07 PM

They legit put a scene where Norman Osborn fucked Gwen Stacy and we saw his O-face.

I actually read that story as a kid, and I legit did not understand what was going on or what sex was, so I thought the the twins were born because Norman loved Gwen that much.

Yeah Spider-Man comics not being family friendly can really mess up the brand.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#30845: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:58:06 PM

So does anyone have any bets how Peter might kill Paul?

I've got "pumpkin bomb up the patookus", "punted out a window", and "Gwen Stacy'd off a bridge".

Edited by NickTheSwing on Oct 8th 2023 at 7:58:19 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30846: Oct 8th 2023 at 8:00:01 PM

I like the pumpkin bomb myself. Equal parts humiliating and painful...just as Paul deserves.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30847: Oct 8th 2023 at 9:38:48 PM

OK, I've seen the scans now of this week's issue.

More Paul torture as Peter drops him from the bridge, though MJ saves him. Norman relieves Peter of his sins with Kraven's spear and it's implied he got them back at the end, Peter and MJ finally emotionally reconnect with an embrace

Edited by Zarius on Oct 8th 2023 at 9:39:22 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30848: Oct 8th 2023 at 9:44:15 PM

DOES HE SAY HE HIT THE JACKPOT!?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30849: Oct 8th 2023 at 9:51:42 PM

Peter does refer to MJ as 'his jackpot' earlier in the issue, we saw that in the preview, but in the context of "you betrayed me"

Paul really egging on the readers too with "I'm not going anywhere, do what you have to do" just before Peter drops him

Edited by Zarius on Oct 8th 2023 at 9:52:07 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30850: Oct 8th 2023 at 11:22:43 PM

[up][up][up] My first thought is 'Well that didn't last long.'

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