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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#30801: Oct 6th 2023 at 7:40:12 PM

Question: What is the first meeting between Spider-Man and Captain America in the main continuity? The only one I know off the top of my head is in Life Story where Pete asks the good Cap about whether or not he ought to go fight in Vietnam.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30802: Oct 6th 2023 at 7:44:50 PM

If not sooner he met Cap when Kang used a Spider-Man robot to try to kill the Avengers

They didn’t have much time to talk. Real Spider-Man just showed up, broke the robot, and fucked off

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30803: Oct 6th 2023 at 8:07:39 PM

I could have sworn there was a story where Spider-Man and Cap officially meet and it ended with Steve calling out Jameson and forcing a retraction on Spider-Man being a menace.

And ending up causing Jameson to shave.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30804: Oct 6th 2023 at 8:35:03 PM

That was apparently from the Spidey book which wasn’t set in the 616

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30805: Oct 6th 2023 at 8:50:37 PM

No, like it was different from Spidey the one that's very kid focused.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30806: Oct 6th 2023 at 8:59:27 PM

I don’t know of another example but I googled for Captain America forces j jonah Jameson to shave and came up with Spidey issue 10

It hits all the points. Mad about headline, mad at mustache, better headline after Cap gives Jameson the business

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 6th 2023 at 12:00:22 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30807: Oct 6th 2023 at 9:02:13 PM

Guess my memory is off. I did read Spidey out of curiosity back in 2018.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30808: Oct 6th 2023 at 10:28:51 PM

I think Cap's first encounter with Spider-Man after fighting that robot was The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #3 where Spidey was offered his first chance at membership.*

Though both before (I think) were active in the 3rd Fantastic Four Annual when Doom had various supervillains trying to ruin Reed and Sue's wedding.

(*)Incidentally I hope for a What If? (Divided into three stories) where it showed Spider-Man succeeding at becoming an Avenger sooner. Basically stories following alternate endings for ASM Annual #3, plus Avengers #237 and 318.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30809: Oct 8th 2023 at 4:14:34 AM

A few 'leaks' are being shared on forums. As usual, they can be traced back to 4chan and are full of the usual grammatical errors and missing out key details in favour of the more 'sensationalist' bullet points.

One guy I know who gets his comics early on the weekend came down with COVID the other day so he can't fetch a copy to verify the leaks.

If the leaks are true, the issue may not be as depressing as we all believe it'll be and certainly would begin the road to recovery for Peter and MJ, but on the other hand It's setting up yet another Green Goblin arc for the finale of the run

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30810: Oct 8th 2023 at 4:27:22 AM

Does Peter say he hit the jackpot?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30811: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:20:57 AM

Does Peter break Paul's back Bane style?

Does he punt kick him like Randy Orton?

Does he drop his mangled body off the bridge while laughing maniacally?

These are the questions I'm asking about a spider-man comic. Let that sink in.

Edited by FKJ10 on Oct 8th 2023 at 7:01:54 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30812: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:40:47 AM

Honestly, I’m so jaded that I’m fully expecting Paul and MJ to grow closer because of the Spider that keks to keep Spider-Man miserable.

If Norman does go evil again, I’m curious as to how it affects Normie in Red Goblin.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30813: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:04:19 AM

Honestly at this point I hope Peter doesn't get back with MJ they have made her so unlikable nothing less than a continuity reboot that sets everything back pre OMD will fix things.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30814: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:11:57 AM

Eh, if they can go back to MJ circa Spencer I'll be fine, since that was just pre-OMD MJ taking some ownership of her post-OMD character.

Edited by Zarius on Oct 8th 2023 at 7:12:43 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30815: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:18:29 AM

Peter has forgiven Felicia for much worse.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30816: Oct 8th 2023 at 7:24:48 AM

Felicia wasn't his wife for 20 years of publication history and was presented as a fair weather love interst up until recently.

Heck in the Insomniac universe she might be his baby mama but she's at her most untrustworthy.

Edited by FKJ10 on Oct 8th 2023 at 7:33:06 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#30817: Oct 8th 2023 at 8:11:14 AM

That does kinda highlight why Spider-Editorial’s attempts to demonize or get rid of MJ fail so hard. Its like pushing a boulder up a hill because MJ has spent so long being Spider-Man’s girlfriend/wife and practically the Deuteragonist of the comic that any attempt to declare that she’s not actually his one true love or send her packing will go over like a lead balloon. And it’s made worse by Spider-Editorial’s willingness to have Peter “forgive” any other character’s bad behavior — even objectively evil ones — whenever they want to try and have a rogue turn face. I mean, for fuck’s sake, this very run has Peter treating the man who murdered both his unborn child and his first love as if they’re best friends and the Dan Slott run had him make peace with Venom, a character who’s entire existence used to revolve around tormenting Peter and his loved ones in ways only he could.

Any attempt to dismiss MJ or frame her as a bad person fails because it’s so alien to the comic’s very nature that it’s instantly recognized as such and revolted against.

Edited by immortaleditor on Oct 8th 2023 at 8:12:04 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30818: Oct 8th 2023 at 8:21:05 AM

In fairness, Peter just looking the other way for Venom has been going on as far back as marvel milking the money cow by spinning him off into an antihero

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 8th 2023 at 11:34:48 AM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#30819: Oct 8th 2023 at 8:29:27 AM

True, but it just proves the point even harder. You can’t make the reader hate MJ by having her act like a bitch in one run and act like this justifies getting rid of her when you’ve for decades been letting characters like Venom off the hook for much worse acts simply because you think you can milk them. It makes the attempts to write out MJ look even more artificial, blatant, and forced than they already would.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30820: Oct 8th 2023 at 8:34:21 AM

They’ve tried character assassination, plane explosions, lost in another dimension, witness protection, turbo Satan

MJ can’t be stopped

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#30821: Oct 8th 2023 at 8:41:00 AM

She unironically really is. The character has long evolved past the Romantic False Lead that she was invented as and become, as I noted, basically as much the main character as Spidey himself. She’s become an integral part of the comic and any attempt to remove her is doomed to failure, which makes Spider-Editorial’s continued desperation to do so even more inane and pathetic. It’s literally Sisyphean “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a new result each time” tier stuff.

MJ can never be stopped no matter how much Spider-Editorial wants her to be because she is inevitable. Even attempts to dismiss her usually just end up cementing her even further as the only possible love interest for Peter.

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30822: Oct 8th 2023 at 9:04:12 AM

On a different note, given how this thread seems to feel about Norman Osborn, you may want to read issue 9 of Red Goblin as it has Rascal smacking Norman in the head with Harry's gravestone then steal his glider.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#30823: Oct 8th 2023 at 9:12:18 AM

Deserved beating, but loses points for grave desecration.

Wake me up at your own risk.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30824: Oct 8th 2023 at 11:39:41 AM

Can we really feel any catharsis for this Norman getting beat up? Considering he's been purged of all sin, you might as well be watching a child that can't fight back get bullied.

And it’s made worse by Spider-Editorial’s willingness to have Peter “forgive” any other character’s bad behavior — even objectively evil ones — whenever they want to try and have a rogue turn face.

To expand on this and my example, Felicia during her Queenpin phase almost killed Aunt May. When Kingpin did this, Peter gave him a humiliating No-Holds-Barred Beatdown in front of numerous witnesses and threatened to kill him if May didn't survive (so in a way, Wilson Fisk should thank Mephisto for his life). Logic dictates that Felicia should have lost a lot worse than a tooth for putting May in danger given how Peter feels about his loved ones, his adoptive mother especially, being in harm's way.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 8th 2023 at 7:45:15 PM

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30825: Oct 8th 2023 at 11:51:36 AM

[up]I haven't read Spider-Man yet (I will get around to it eventually as I have an interest in his supporting cast but I have never had much interest in the character himself even when I watched the old nineties cartoon) so I don't know how he is written there but I have seen some comments saying that her is written better here, good but still ruthless (early in the issue he was threatening to drop a Goblin Nation thug off a building as the goblin formula in his system would ensure that he survived, even if he would be in terrible pain).

Also, near the beginning of the series Norman was kidnapped and tortured by the Goblin Nation as well so he has been through the wars a bit in this series. He was also beaten up by Dylan at one point in Venom.

Edited by SebastianGray on Oct 8th 2023 at 7:54:21 PM


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