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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

Please follow the spoiler policy rules - tag spoilers for the latest issues, for any previews or content leaks, and for off-topic comics. When including spoiler tags, try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?).

     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30776: Oct 6th 2023 at 12:12:59 AM

It's the one saving grace of the Zebulondo.

What?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 7th 2023 at 3:13:28 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#30777: Oct 6th 2023 at 12:19:21 AM

That we in the MHA fandom managed to poach you tongue

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30778: Oct 6th 2023 at 12:22:38 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deku_cover.png

I can't stop seeing Deku everywhere in my Spider-Man comics. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#30779: Oct 6th 2023 at 12:27:18 AM

I agree, but it's kind of funny that [[ALLMIGHTVOICE]]"young Midoriya"[[/ALLMIGHTVOICE]] lacks a specific trait that young Peter Parker had.

That being his unsocial personality. Kid was a mean, easily angered cuss in high school and didn't mellow out for a long time afterwards. Deku has a few moments were he gets violently mad, but otherwise he's nice and kind person like modern, well-written adult Peter is.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30780: Oct 6th 2023 at 12:57:02 AM

Gotta have Deku stand out from Spider-Man somehow since he now has shadow web shooters.

Also Deku does not make jokes when he’s fighting people.

But he’s still funnier than Wells Spider-Man.

Though I do feel people overplay how mean Lee Ditko era Peter was.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 7th 2023 at 3:57:42 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#30781: Oct 6th 2023 at 1:08:32 AM

Deep in the bowels of this reddit comment chain, someone made some interesting comparisons to this run of Spider-Man and Avengers #200.

A fan favorite female character was trapped in another dimension until she """developed""" a relationship with this creepy bearded weirdo. Also Ms. Marvel gets screwed over and joins the X-Men as a result.

At least in the intervening decades Marvel has become marginally less better at regurgitating this plotline, but wow it's never a good sign when someone can compare your comic to one of the most infamous and least popular examples of bad comic writing.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30782: Oct 6th 2023 at 1:29:51 AM

History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30783: Oct 6th 2023 at 3:34:26 AM

[up] That reminds me, there is that sketch of George Lucas kicking Zeb Wells out of his office!

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30784: Oct 6th 2023 at 4:29:41 AM

That being his unsocial personality. Kid was a mean, easily angered cuss in high school and didn't mellow out for a long time afterwards.

This aspect of Peter's has largely been forgotten due to adaptations playing up his shyness and giving him a circle of friends, however small it might be. In fact, a lot of Spider Man Send Ups tend to be less antisocial than Peter originally was. I recall reading somewhere that the writers of Static Shock limited Virgil's friends to just Richie, Frieda and Daisy because they were too lazy to show Virgil with a larger circle of friends.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30785: Oct 6th 2023 at 5:10:34 AM

[up][up] When I first saw that on Twitter (not a big Robot Chicken guy), I legit thought it was real security footage because George Lucas' behavior felt so real and livid.

And now we all want to be like that George Lucas, wanting to toss Wells out of the room.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#30786: Oct 6th 2023 at 5:17:58 AM

Yup the only way to fix these books is toss out everyone involved.

Just Makima.
LadyBlackwood The show must go on from Wouldn't you like to know? Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The show must go on
#30787: Oct 6th 2023 at 6:11:45 AM

In my experience, whenever a character has a trait that was abandoned or downplayed, some parts of the fandom will exaggerate that trait. The idea that Ditko Peter was this huge asshole who was one bad day away from becoming a school shooter seems to be an example of that.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#30788: Oct 6th 2023 at 7:02:03 AM

[up]Oh, yeah, people can totally blow it out of proportion, like how people act like Batman was a brooding loner maniac shooting people nonstop in the Golden Age when he’d gotten rid of the gun and picked up Robin before his first year was even over. But most times they don’t, Peter really was kind of a major flawed asshole for most of his history, it was one of his defining traits. Young Peter was really bitter, constantly seethed at all his peers, picked fights at the drop of a hat, was a terrible boyfriend, and mostly cared about money. Even as he matured and became a lot nicer he retained some of that edge well into the 80s, 90s, and even 2000s. Peter B. in Spider-Verse is pretty much how Spidey was mostly written up until OMD; not a HUGE asshole and he’ll always do the right thing in the end despite himself, but definitely a snarky grouch who isn’t afraid to tell people when he thinks they’re being idiots.

[up][up]That’s definitely the only way to clean Spider-Man up as a book. There’s just no other way. It’s like a wasp hive on your garden shed door. The only way you’re getting your tools and doing anything is if you get rid of the nest.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#30789: Oct 6th 2023 at 8:42:32 AM

Like, there's an early Spider-Man comic where Peter spends a couple panels legit thinking about robbing a bank, until the Uncle Ben guilt shuts that down.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30790: Oct 6th 2023 at 8:46:50 AM

That edge and also relatable problems are what made Spider Man and other marvel heroes so popular

The edges were sanded off a little over time and DC started copying the troubled relatable hero thing so there’s not as much of a difference these days. But back in the 60s a hero like Spider Man was novel

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30791: Oct 6th 2023 at 9:02:16 AM

Honestly it's reasons like that I legit feel Peter B. Parker and the other Spider-Man made by Sony are the real character.

Spidey stopped being a character after Quesada got his way. He's a bad sitcom character that's long since been flanderized to the point of parody.

I joke about Spider-Man editorial but it's very obvious they know what they're doing and it's primarily to spite fans who want the old Spider-Man back.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#30792: Oct 6th 2023 at 9:19:04 AM

I think Peter was a dick, but in a normal, relatable way.

The only time I think he went too far is the time he ruined the human torch's birthday party and got into a fight with him for no apparent reason, honestly.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30794: Oct 6th 2023 at 10:20:00 AM

[up]Cool. Last year I got the two pack Marvel Legends with Spider-Man and Spinerette.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#30795: Oct 6th 2023 at 10:51:47 AM

Like, there's an early Spider-Man comic where Peter spends a couple panels legit thinking about robbing a bank, until the Uncle Ben guilt shuts that down.

Is this it? Is this the day I use my Spider powers for my own personal gain?

#IceBearForPresident
Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30796: Oct 6th 2023 at 12:12:44 PM

I feel like live blogging OG Spider-Girl just to cheer this thread up.

I've been having a blast with My Hero Acadamia, and I went there in the first place because of how bad this run got.

Sounds like a good idea.[tup]

Also again for good comic recommendations, Sonic the Hedgehog, Darkwing Duck and Gargoyles (Plus the Dark Ages mini).

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30797: Oct 6th 2023 at 3:08:43 PM

I miss the old Mega Man Archie comic. It got cancelled because of poor sales, while this run is going strong in sales.

World really is unfair.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30798: Oct 6th 2023 at 4:13:59 PM

It's only got the one issue, but I've been hearing really good things about Skybound's Transformers #1.

I almost got half a mind to buy a physical copy, which I don't usually do for comics.

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30799: Oct 6th 2023 at 5:00:01 PM

I miss the old Mega Man Archie comic. It got cancelled because of poor sales, while this run is going strong in sales.

World really is unfair.

Yes. And besides Love & Capes, MM was easily best comic of the decade. And Darkwing Duck for the most part (Boom and especially Joe Books run).

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#30800: Oct 6th 2023 at 6:23:25 PM

[up][up][up]If its any consolation, I’m fairly certain the only reason Spider-Man is “strong in sales” right now is because of a mixture of “Spidey always sells at least somewhat” and Marvel artificially inflating things with constant shitloads of variants and taking the book, what, TRI-monthly now? And its still selling for shit numbers in comparison to stuff like manga and indie comics.


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