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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30626: Sep 23rd 2023 at 8:41:11 PM

I see you too have been on Reddit.

I prefer Spoblin myself.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30627: Sep 24th 2023 at 1:38:35 AM

I just for Spider-Man Who Laughs to keep it simple.

I mean we don't call Joker!Batman the Batman that Jokes

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30628: Sep 24th 2023 at 3:04:57 AM

I mean we don't call Joker!Batman the Batman that Jokes

That's because we call him the Man that Jonkles

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30629: Sep 24th 2023 at 7:27:52 AM

...Thanks, now you spared me from how butchered this story is.

And really, Paul is the tip of the Wells iceberg.

The run isn't helped by how Wells writes Spider-Man as being completely useless in a fight. Like, he almost got killed by freaking Vulture and had to submit when Tombstone tried to hug him to death.

He has to be bailed by Norman, the X-Men, even Kamala technically swooped in to save him from Rabin (the shaman mentioned earlier).

Speaking of Norman, character assassination is so rampant. Besides MJ seemingly being a thankless witch, Wells writes as though Norman is the one we should be rooting for when this is, you know, the book where we root for Spider-Man? And Peter's "relationship" with Black Cat is barely touched upon until, OOPS! Now they broke off because they're just going through the rounds! (I hate when writers treat women like trash.) Even in FCBD stuff, Peter's not safe because everyone craps on him for beating up a gorilla that was drugged by Kraven.

Side note: I wonder if Hickman was vying for ASM itself, but Editorial got clingy and Gollum-y with ASM and said "NO! Hickmanses can has the Ultimate Spider, yesss. ASM is our own, our love, our precious."

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30630: Sep 24th 2023 at 7:34:11 AM

Norman Osborn is being written more like MJ than the actual MJ.

It’s both hilarious and disturbing.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#30631: Sep 24th 2023 at 7:35:46 AM

[up] Are we sure that Wells wasn't killed and impersonated by a dimension-hopping, self-insert-fanfic-ing Norman Osborn?

Edited by TrashJack on Sep 24th 2023 at 11:18:50 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#30632: Sep 24th 2023 at 7:42:20 AM

If he was, then it should be more obvious.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#30633: Sep 24th 2023 at 7:52:15 AM

this is all Deadpool's fault

All of it!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30634: Sep 24th 2023 at 10:35:42 AM

Nah Deadpool would never hurt his bestie Spidey.....intentionally

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30635: Sep 24th 2023 at 3:45:26 PM

I am annoyed by the fact they gave Mary Jane kids and then removed then and acted like it was nothing.

Notably, they killed Donna Troy's kid and were stunned when writers acted like she was permanently traumatized by it.

Same with Roy Harper.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30636: Sep 24th 2023 at 4:03:43 PM

The kids were always just plot devices...just like their "father". The writer's didn't care about them beyond serving their purpose to keep Peter and MJ apart. And most readers hated them because of that. My question is how much longer until their daddy finally joins them in oblivion?

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#30637: Sep 24th 2023 at 5:14:52 PM

I think the kids being fake was supposed to soften the blow, because it worked so well when they did this with Scarlet Witch.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30638: Sep 24th 2023 at 5:32:49 PM

This run will serve as an excellent case study of how ineffective good guys who never win and constantly suffer humiliations will lead people to preferring competent cool bad guys who are terrible people.

Look at the amount of people cheering Spoblin to kill Paul. It’s all so interesting to me.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30639: Sep 24th 2023 at 5:43:52 PM

[up]Indeed. The first time Peter hasn't been a hapless loser in this run...and he had to fall to the darkside for it to happen.

Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#30640: Sep 24th 2023 at 7:18:06 PM

MJ, Wanda, and Misty should start a club for people with fake magical children.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30641: Sep 24th 2023 at 7:49:14 PM

Wanda’s children being fake was not to soften the blow and actually made the blow harder for her since the whole point was to completely retcon or undo every bit of her relationship with Vision and to make Wanda go crazy and do her version of dark phoenix

I suspect that MJ’s kids were revealed fake because they were a plot device and marvel is iffy about having more real dead kids in the spider book

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 24th 2023 at 10:49:53 AM

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#30642: Sep 24th 2023 at 8:34:38 PM

And even with Wanda's kids, they eventually went, "okay, they were sort of real and are definitely real people now".

Don't think this'll happen with Romy/Michelle and... whatever the fuck the brother's name was.

...Wait, did he have one? I genuinely can't remember. I also don't really care, so that's probably why I don't remember.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30643: Sep 24th 2023 at 8:35:05 PM

Fake or not, it's def going to hang over her character.

How fake are those kids exactly?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30644: Sep 24th 2023 at 8:46:18 PM

Wanda only went crazy over her dead children years later. Which is part of the criticism of Avengers Disassembled.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30645: Sep 24th 2023 at 8:48:41 PM

She did have some crazy at the time. She cut her hair and got a different costume and may have molested Wonder Man

It was a bad time

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LadyBlackwood The show must go on from Wouldn't you like to know? Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The show must go on
#30646: Sep 24th 2023 at 8:51:35 PM

This is a perfect example of why you should really think about it if you're going to introduce child characters to a long-running story. It's much harder to put them on a bus, although not impossible, and killing them off will seem tasteless and edgy unless it's exceptionally well done.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30647: Sep 24th 2023 at 9:08:40 PM

And in this case, it's certainly not done.

If the fandom is cheering that those little shits are dead, the writing has failed.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30648: Sep 24th 2023 at 9:16:30 PM

All the child murder:

  • Donna Troy
  • Wanda
  • Roy Harper
  • Peter Parker
  • Black Canary (sent to a monastary rather than killed but only after a fakeout)

All of it is done because of fear of aging a character.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 24th 2023 at 9:16:54 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30649: Sep 25th 2023 at 12:06:31 AM

@Redhunter 53 you literally just need to look at any wrestling program for that.

Heck Stone Cold's rise to the top was because he was the cool heel to Bret Hart whiny baby face that they switched sides as Bret snapped from the lack of respect fans were giving him and kept on beating up Austin after he won the Mania match.

[up] Also with Donna Troy its mostly because her husband was a blatant self insert for writer/editor Marv Wolfman so future writers didn't wanna deal with the character or kids and just axxed them.

Edited by FKJ10 on Sep 25th 2023 at 12:12:16 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30650: Sep 25th 2023 at 12:14:43 AM

Yeah, I don't watch wrestling, sorry.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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