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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30601: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:22:03 PM

Lot of characters accidentally doing genocide lately

Well, two

Buffalo Soldier from the recently reviled Black Panther run was tricked into doing a genocide but still felt morally superior to T’Challa after knowing him five seconds

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#30602: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:27:20 PM

Accidentally committing genocide is shockingly a step up from a Cuck Arc anyways

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#30603: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:27:54 PM

So is it gonna turn out that spider who laughs was actually trying g to protect people with his spider-bots and it was queen goblin throwing g the bombs?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30604: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:40:06 PM

Unknowingly helped his daddy, anyway. The story was pretty clear that he "trusted" dad and didn't realise what he was really doing until too late.

I was wondering about that. The way everyone talked made it sound like he was a willing participant. But I suppose that shows just how little people care for Paul. Everything he does is viewed through the lens of being in the way of Peter and MJ and existing just to keep them apart....which is exactly what he is.

It was a mistake to make him for something like that. It's probably why I don't hate Paul (while acknowledging that he is in the way).

I don't even think there's any point in killing him. Like, right now he's more hated than most actual villains. People would celebrate, yes, but then what?

He's just....pointless. His creation was pointless, and his existence is pointless, and hating him isn't even worth it because he's just nothing.

A character should have a real purpose. Every character should. So that whatever happens, you feel something. Paul isn't even that.

One Strip! One Strip!
Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30605: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:42:42 PM

For awareness -

The view from recent mod conversations is that "cuck" is a term that's increasingly associated with some problematic things, and we'd prefer not to see it used in forum threads.

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 22nd 2023 at 10:45:04 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30606: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:46:32 PM

I think Paul should date Carlie and go off to live in St Louis

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30607: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:52:44 PM

Personally, I think he should date Annie from Chuck Austen's X-Men run and leave the USA to live in Winnipeg. Or Milton Keynes. Or maybe Palmerston North.

Some place the MU never sets stories, anyway.

But either works.

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 22nd 2023 at 10:53:33 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30608: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:53:06 PM

Oh, I'm sure that would help both of them.

Carlie's another character who was so defined by in the way of MJ and Peter that all attempts to get people to like her bombed.

Even after she stopped dating him, everything she did became more fuel to hate her.

Having her apparently be the first person to realize Peter was possessed by Doc Ock over MJ didn't help.

They need to stop trying to replace Mary Jane, and let these other characters be something more.

The moment Gwen was killed to make way for MJ, it should have been clear that there could never be anyone else.

Edit: Whoops! I should have put a Sarcasm Mode pothole in that first sentence, because I obviously don't think it would help either of them much.

Both are already lost causes. Carlie has completely disappeared hasn't she?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:23:28 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30609: Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:00:57 PM

Weirdly, I was shipping Carlie and Harry Osborn's Satan created clone.

Also, Overdrive.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:01:07 AM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30610: Sep 22nd 2023 at 8:33:06 PM

I hate that excuse he unknowingly did it. I have seen people fried for less offenses with their "I didn't know X" excuse called out as bs because they were grown ass adults in positions of authority, expertise or responsibility.

It's just Paul the genius scientist on these runes trying to absolve himself of blame by appealing to ignorance.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30611: Sep 22nd 2023 at 8:34:02 PM

Ignorance of the law excuses no one

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#30612: Sep 23rd 2023 at 8:43:37 AM

How bad is this run?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30613: Sep 23rd 2023 at 8:44:17 AM

THIS TROPER DOESN"T KNOW WHO PAUL IS!

Should we tell him or let him learn the hard way?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#30614: Sep 23rd 2023 at 9:22:07 AM

Tell me.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30615: Sep 23rd 2023 at 9:31:38 AM

[up]The son of an otherworldly shaman who contributed to the genocide of his world's people and is all pent up with grief. Doesn't like to be bothered.

MJ got trapped with him in that dimension for years and they adopted kids together. Nothing romantic is ever shown on the actual page and only editorial ever say it's a romance. MJ is fiercely loyal to Paul regardless and chooses her family over Peter when he rescues her.

Oh, and then the kids are revealed to be totems chained to MJ and they are killed when the shaman returns.

Edited by Zarius on Sep 23rd 2023 at 9:32:18 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30616: Sep 23rd 2023 at 9:35:28 AM

Back in my day totems were poles or summonables in Warcraft also other definitions but they definitely weren’t fake children

Shouldn’t MJ Disassemble something now? Maybe a team?

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#30617: Sep 23rd 2023 at 9:35:55 AM

...Thanks, now you spared me from how butchered this story is.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30618: Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:06:42 AM

Yeah, Paul mostly exists to keep Peter away from MJ.

And his entire story just doesn't fit into the Spider-Man corner of the universe.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30619: Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:09:43 AM

Paul could honestly be revealed to be Mephisto in disguise...as he literally only exists to insure that there's no possibility of Peter and MJ's daughter existing to thwart his future plans.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30620: Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:10:44 AM

You know it's bad when people are cheering for the Spider who gobs to kill Paul.

And I showed Courier the comics, and he legit did not realize Paul was the one guy with MJ.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#30621: Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:13:06 AM

And the kids were so boring and generic that the writer literally forgot one of their names, then awkwardly tried to spin it as "isn't it cute, the kid can't decide what she wants people to call her". When they were revealed to be fake constructs designed to chain MJ to Paul and disappeared in his arms, the comic tries to present it as tragic but it ended up being universally celebrated because the obnoxious brats were finally gone.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30622: Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:15:32 AM

And to think they insisted Paul was "likable". I mean really...what about Paul is likable? He's not even interesting in a love to hate kind of way. He's a Poochie story without the self awareness.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30623: Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:17:06 AM

All that fucking drama feels like it's from a different comic shoved into a Spider-Man comic.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30624: Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:21:44 AM

So much for Spider-Man being more "grounded". The only good thing about all this...is that with all the magical constructs...time travel etc...the whole run could be erased easily. Just have Goblin Peter time travel and prevent his past self and MJ from being sucked through that portal. Poof...no Wells run. There's not like there’s a single thing worth salvaging....

Edited by knightstorm on Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:22:29 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30625: Sep 23rd 2023 at 5:50:01 PM

So we got the name for Spider-Goblin here? I got list of potential names.

I got, The Spider Who Gobbles

Peter-Goblin

The Arachnid Who Giggles

The Peter Who Parks

The Spider-Man Who Jonkles

Goblin-Maguire

Spidey Who Laughs

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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