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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30576: Sep 21st 2023 at 11:39:32 AM

Combing X and Spider popularity together, he will become the most popular figure in Marvel. Get him to join an Avengers and the scouter will explode, that's how popular he'll be.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30577: Sep 21st 2023 at 11:47:49 AM

Rhino did fight the Hulk a couple of times.

Yeah, but from what I hear, he didn't fair so well in the long run.

[up]For the longest time, they were the two big Marvel Franchises.

They were the successful Film brands after Blade, and before the MCU launched the Avengers.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30578: Sep 21st 2023 at 12:21:48 PM

Nightcrawler is one of my favorite X-Man so this is def a treat.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#30579: Sep 21st 2023 at 12:28:44 PM

[up][up] He had a few surprisingly good showings back in the day, back before the Hulk started juggling helicarriers at least. Even stalemated Joe Fixit once or twice.

The What If Dark comic on Carnage was almost impressive in how it goes back and forth on continuity.

Giving Cortland a symbiote made sense, that's what happened in the main continuity. But for some reason he doesn't get Plague but some random "Dark Carnage". It also remembered the Spiral Cult from his backstory, but for some reason they worship Dormammu instead of Knull?

#IceBearForPresident
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30580: Sep 21st 2023 at 12:30:53 PM

[up][up]As I've said, He's got the agility and Wall-Crawling down, so in that regard, he'd be a good Spiderman.

He does lack the brute strength, but his teleportation provides him with options that Peter lacks.

What will be interesting is seeing how Kurt handles being a solo hero. He's been a team player for the entirety of his superhero career (with the X-Men, with OG X-calibur, etc). While Pete does have people he can rely on, he's usually in there on his own, and while his strength, speed, genius, and Spider-Sense have let him compensate, Kurt doesn't have any of that. He's got years of experience of his own, and again, his teleportation, but he'll have to tackle things from a completely different angle from how Peter would do it.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 21st 2023 at 12:31:19 PM

One Strip! One Strip!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30581: Sep 21st 2023 at 1:53:10 PM

A random thing I’ve been thinking about:

Do we know if the animal theming of so many of the Silver Age villains was intentional, or if it was a coincidence that ended up becoming more of a theme over the decades?

It gets a lot of tongue in cheek jokes today, but I never was sure if Lee and Ditko meant to do that or if it just sort of ended up that way, since they were throwing so many villain concepts at the wall in those days.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 21st 2023 at 1:53:51 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#30582: Sep 21st 2023 at 2:17:48 PM

I doubt it was pure coincidence - even if it wasn't a conscious choice, I have to think that writing for an animal-themed superhero made their subconsciouses more likely to choose animal-themed villains.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30583: Sep 21st 2023 at 2:26:00 PM

TBF, there were a couple of villains who didn't have animal theme naming going on.

Such as Mysterio, Sandman, and Green Goblin.

Plus those one shot villains like Professor Stromm and the living brain.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 21st 2023 at 5:26:21 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30584: Sep 21st 2023 at 4:39:57 PM

I remember that there was a post on tumblr from r/justshowerthoughts that said something along the lines "Spider-Man's villains are all themed after animals that are natural predators to spiders" to which the responses roasted it with "Oh yes, rinhos, octopuses and goblins, the spiders' natural predators.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30585: Sep 21st 2023 at 4:41:02 PM

Only Scorpion was explicitly themed as a predator to Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30586: Sep 21st 2023 at 10:27:32 PM

Honestly the reaction to this latest chapter proves my point.

Marvel has dogged Peter so much that fans are cheering Peter going murder happy on his enemies and MJ as his "Get Back"

Edited by FKJ10 on Sep 21st 2023 at 10:28:40 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30587: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:09:01 AM

I'm reminded of RAINBOW SIX: PATRIOTS that unfortunately got a reaction from the fandom of, "Wow, a bunch of terrorists want to murder wall street executives? Sign me up!"

Which is to say, yes, Peter, go and kill Norman Osborn.

It would in fact be awesome.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:09:33 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30588: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:46:41 AM

Honestly, sign me up for Peter should keep Norman's sins forever.[lol]

Besides, it's only 616 Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30589: Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:27:43 AM

hey i've wanted peter to wade in rivers of blood since before these developments

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30590: Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:29:56 AM

Reading the December solicitations, Steve Rogers guest-stars in Spider-Boy that month, Flash appears in Carnage, and someone 'close' to Peter is in Superior Spider-Man that month too

Superior promises "no time travel and no clones"

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30591: Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:31:44 AM

Ah, so it's an alternate universe. Or an imaginary story.

Edit: Oh, and we get another Spider-Man 2099 series by Orlando in Jan.

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 22nd 2023 at 11:45:28 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#30592: Sep 22nd 2023 at 7:23:06 AM

I really hope that Evil!Peter does an "I buried Paul" joke.

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 22nd 2023 at 7:23:17 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#30593: Sep 22nd 2023 at 8:55:00 AM

TBH, in-universe dunking on characters fans don't like has always taken me out of the story. I even remember feeling like that as a kid when the Scooby-Doo movie revealed the bad guy was Scrappy in a robot Rowan Atkinson suit. [lol]

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#30594: Sep 22nd 2023 at 9:22:04 AM

Just to be clear, I was saying that I wanted Peter to make an Evil Has a Bad Sense of Humor type joke about killing/harming Paul. I wasn't envisioning it as a Take That, Scrappy! moment.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#30595: Sep 22nd 2023 at 9:28:01 AM

Wasn't in reply to you specifically, just the general trend of grisly speculation re: bad things that could happen to Paul.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30596: Sep 22nd 2023 at 10:34:11 AM

I honestly never really saw Scrappy as being that bad. The show didn't really fall apart until they got rid of literally everyone else but Shaggy and Scooby. Paul however...was created for the sole purpose of being a pain in the butt...so his brutal death would be cathartic.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30597: Sep 22nd 2023 at 12:28:09 PM

Yeah but I just know Wells and Lowe will try and make us the reader feel ashamed of ourselves for cheering on Peter as he brutally murders Paul "I helped my daddy commit a genocide" Rabin.

When at this point I'm calling it as Peter doing a service to the community and Fandom.

But then again I'm a punisher fan........

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30598: Sep 22nd 2023 at 12:32:48 PM

Unknowingly helped his daddy, anyway. The story was pretty clear that he "trusted" dad and didn't realise what he was really doing until too late.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30599: Sep 22nd 2023 at 1:13:51 PM

[up][up]Wells and Lowe can try all they want...but as far as Paul's death goes...the more painful and humiliating...the better!cool

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30600: Sep 22nd 2023 at 1:16:40 PM

Long live Spider-Goblin.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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