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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
What's even worse is that there are tons of younger heroes and even Spider-people who could easily fill the unmarried young hero who gets into relationship drama.
Like Miles Morales.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Is the marriage part that important?
Fine, break Mary Jane and Peter up. Just don't try to involve the Devil and retconning whole swaths of history.
They're divorced, separated, or whatever.
It's fine. It happens.
It's the method, not the end that bugs me.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Annulled technically
That’s the legal version of erasing the marriage from history
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Well let me try to explain, there's a lot of reasons why Marvel was concerned this might be bad for the kids.
Firstly, in America, we're conditioned to think of a family unit of parents and child/s as the ideal to strive for, so Spider-Man getting divorced would hurt his child friendly image, secondly to expand on my first point, kids don't tend to react well to parents divorcing in general on average, so to see Spider-Man who is supposed to be a larger than life character despite his relatability, would send bad messages.
Thirdly, making Spider-Man divorced would age him badly more than marriage.
Now I don't necessarily agree with this, just trying to get at their logic. Even when ITSV showed Spider-Man getting divorced, he's shown at the end getting together with MJ which sends the family friendly message that divorce is only temporary.
EDIT: Also Spider-Man is in a different league than those heroes. He's their corporate mascot.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 19th 2023 at 7:47:19 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"And I kind of get where they are coming from.
The thing is that divorces are already pretty normal and grounded. And Spider-Man is supposed to be grounded. And you know what isn't grounded? Whatever the heck the Spider-Editorial was cooking during OMD/BND. Especially if Lowe intended for Wells' ASM run to be "grounded".
Like, if Into the Spider-Verse, a theatrical movie watched by millions, could use a divorce as part of Peter B.'s sob story, then Spider-Editorial really has no excuse acting like a Spider-Divorce would be what jump-starts a second Cuban Missile Crisis.
The point is that a divorce, while heartbreaking, would be worlds better than having to contend with deals with devils or getting cursed by some shirtless whack-job under the influence of some random deity pretending to be of Mayan descent. (Seriously, if I ever wrote for Spider-Man, I would retcon that Wayeb was never a Mayan god at the first chance I get.)
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 19th 2023 at 7:52:53 AM
Hank and Janet divorced
I think Vision just declared his marriage over because he’d died. He was being a bit of an idiot there because he thought he was setting Wanda free
Mockingbird and Hawkeye got divorced. Or she died when the divorce was pending
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYeah but like I said, Spider-Man is a higher tier than those characters.
He's a mascot. From a marketing POV as per Editorial thought processes, they have to protect his image more than say Hank Pym.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 19th 2023 at 8:10:05 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"At this point with Iron Man and Captain America's massive push, I'm not sure he is.
Spider-Man is fantastically huge.
But there are characters as big as him.
And by characters, I mean Wolverine.
Who I see no reason to protect the virtue of with the help of Satan.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 19th 2023 at 5:14:09 AM
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I was just answering the question who else is divorced among the heroes
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Well remember when Iron Man got big, there was concerns from Disney over his third movie was going to explore his alcoholism since that movie was also going to be seen by kids. Not the same ball park but still a similar mentality with Spider-Man and divorce.
Plus those other characters aren't as child friendly in the same vein as Spider-Man. Marvel has an image for him that's very different than Wolverine.
Ah, okay.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 19th 2023 at 8:15:31 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"I think those concerns were from Robert Downey Jr since he’s a recovered addict himself
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe second movie kinda did if I recall right but it was a subplot instead of the main plot.
The Protomen enhanced my life.Peter B's story involved divorce, but it still ends with MJ taking him back at the end pretty much immediately and them conceiving and raising a daughter together. So they weren't teaching kids "people drift apart" they were teaching them that couples overcome every hardship if they love one another
Brevoort I recall even said that in his opinion, Peter and MJ would remarry immediately if they remembered their sacrifice in OMD.
Hell marriage was at the forefront of Peter's mind after he reconciled with MJ in Spencer's run.
Edited by Zarius on Sep 19th 2023 at 11:45:39 AM

You know what bugs me? People whose response to this is “it’s just comics”. Like what does it say about the medium when you can do character destroying stuff and the best upside you can give is the next guy will just ignore it? Why even have continuity between runs at that point?