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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Kurus576 Since: Aug, 2015
#30501: Sep 19th 2023 at 7:50:29 AM

You know what bugs me? People whose response to this is “it’s just comics”. Like what does it say about the medium when you can do character destroying stuff and the best upside you can give is the next guy will just ignore it? Why even have continuity between runs at that point?

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30502: Sep 19th 2023 at 8:05:04 AM

Also how soap operas work. And on some level, never-ending comics are just soap operas with better costumes and punching.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30503: Sep 19th 2023 at 9:10:14 AM

So wrestling but these guys can never retire despite Spidey pushing 70 if we followed Life Story's timeline of events.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30504: Sep 19th 2023 at 9:12:02 AM

Slott wrote a story last year where Peter was still web-swinging in his 60s and still married to MJ

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30505: Sep 19th 2023 at 9:19:55 AM

Yes and according to Quesada will never happen in main continuity as that hurts the Spider-Man brand.

So Spidey is Ric Flair here working way past his prime even though he's had a proper send off decades ago.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30506: Sep 19th 2023 at 3:13:50 PM

What's even worse is that there are tons of younger heroes and even Spider-people who could easily fill the unmarried young hero who gets into relationship drama.

Like Miles Morales.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30507: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:26:58 PM

Is the marriage part that important?

Fine, break Mary Jane and Peter up. Just don't try to involve the Devil and retconning whole swaths of history.

They're divorced, separated, or whatever.

It's fine. It happens.

It's the method, not the end that bugs me.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30508: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:32:03 PM

That would be a bad influence on kids supposedly.

And I kind of get where they are coming from.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30509: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:37:31 PM

That couples sometimes grow apart?

I know! Awful!

T'Challa and Storm divorcing is fine, though.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30510: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:41:26 PM

Annulled technically

That’s the legal version of erasing the marriage from history

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30511: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:46:23 PM

Which is a distinction with a huge difference to most comic book fans!

Who else is divorced among heroes?

Bruce and his wife, I'm sure.

Scarlet Witch and Vision.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30512: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:46:34 PM

[up][up][up] Well let me try to explain, there's a lot of reasons why Marvel was concerned this might be bad for the kids.

Firstly, in America, we're conditioned to think of a family unit of parents and child/s as the ideal to strive for, so Spider-Man getting divorced would hurt his child friendly image, secondly to expand on my first point, kids don't tend to react well to parents divorcing in general on average, so to see Spider-Man who is supposed to be a larger than life character despite his relatability, would send bad messages.

Thirdly, making Spider-Man divorced would age him badly more than marriage.

Now I don't necessarily agree with this, just trying to get at their logic. Even when ITSV showed Spider-Man getting divorced, he's shown at the end getting together with MJ which sends the family friendly message that divorce is only temporary.

EDIT: Also Spider-Man is in a different league than those heroes. He's their corporate mascot.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 19th 2023 at 7:47:19 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30513: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:47:37 PM

That would be a bad influence on kids supposedly.

And I kind of get where they are coming from.

The thing is that divorces are already pretty normal and grounded. And Spider-Man is supposed to be grounded. And you know what isn't grounded? Whatever the heck the Spider-Editorial was cooking during OMD/BND. Especially if Lowe intended for Wells' ASM run to be "grounded".

Like, if Into the Spider-Verse, a theatrical movie watched by millions, could use a divorce as part of Peter B.'s sob story, then Spider-Editorial really has no excuse acting like a Spider-Divorce would be what jump-starts a second Cuban Missile Crisis.

The point is that a divorce, while heartbreaking, would be worlds better than having to contend with deals with devils or getting cursed by some shirtless whack-job under the influence of some random deity pretending to be of Mayan descent. (Seriously, if I ever wrote for Spider-Man, I would retcon that Wayeb was never a Mayan god at the first chance I get.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 19th 2023 at 7:52:53 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30514: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:48:54 PM

Yeah I answered those points.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30515: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:49:50 PM

[up] Yeah, sorry. I found that a little too late.

But still, OMD and the Rabin/Wayeb BS are still extremely insane ways to keep Peter and MJ separated. We can agree on that, right?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 19th 2023 at 7:51:24 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30516: Sep 19th 2023 at 4:51:38 PM

Yeah. tongue

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#30517: Sep 19th 2023 at 5:08:06 PM

Hank and Janet divorced

I think Vision just declared his marriage over because he’d died. He was being a bit of an idiot there because he thought he was setting Wanda free

Mockingbird and Hawkeye got divorced. Or she died when the divorce was pending

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30518: Sep 19th 2023 at 5:09:56 PM

Yeah but like I said, Spider-Man is a higher tier than those characters.

He's a mascot. From a marketing POV as per Editorial thought processes, they have to protect his image more than say Hank Pym.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 19th 2023 at 8:10:05 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30519: Sep 19th 2023 at 5:12:56 PM

At this point with Iron Man and Captain America's massive push, I'm not sure he is.

Spider-Man is fantastically huge.

But there are characters as big as him.

And by characters, I mean Wolverine.

Who I see no reason to protect the virtue of with the help of Satan.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 19th 2023 at 5:14:09 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30520: Sep 19th 2023 at 5:13:57 PM

[up][up] I was just answering the question who else is divorced among the heroes

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30521: Sep 19th 2023 at 5:15:10 PM

[up][up]Well remember when Iron Man got big, there was concerns from Disney over his third movie was going to explore his alcoholism since that movie was also going to be seen by kids. Not the same ball park but still a similar mentality with Spider-Man and divorce.

Plus those other characters aren't as child friendly in the same vein as Spider-Man. Marvel has an image for him that's very different than Wolverine.

[up] Ah, okay.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 19th 2023 at 8:15:31 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30522: Sep 19th 2023 at 5:22:59 PM

I think those concerns were from Robert Downey Jr since he’s a recovered addict himself

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30523: Sep 19th 2023 at 5:24:02 PM

Yeah that too. There were a lot of factors in not adapting the demon in a bottle storyline.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30524: Sep 19th 2023 at 11:27:58 PM

The second movie kinda did if I recall right but it was a subplot instead of the main plot.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30525: Sep 19th 2023 at 11:39:07 PM

Peter B's story involved divorce, but it still ends with MJ taking him back at the end pretty much immediately and them conceiving and raising a daughter together. So they weren't teaching kids "people drift apart" they were teaching them that couples overcome every hardship if they love one another

Brevoort I recall even said that in his opinion, Peter and MJ would remarry immediately if they remembered their sacrifice in OMD.

Hell marriage was at the forefront of Peter's mind after he reconciled with MJ in Spencer's run.

Edited by Zarius on Sep 19th 2023 at 11:45:39 AM


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