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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30401: Sep 14th 2023 at 4:01:05 PM

Wells knows how much Spidey fans hates Paul so he's gonna give us the catharsis of seeing Evil Peter beating the hell out of Paul.

Only for Jackpot and Gold Goblin to stop him and say how this isn't him and Spider-Man should never kill in vengeance Yada Yada....

Paul caused a genocide ontop of literally cucking Peter after trapping MJ in a dimension with him. No amount of moral high ground will make me feel anything but bliss seeing Peter beat this guy to death.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30403: Sep 14th 2023 at 4:19:04 PM

Oh he'd likely do that but Marvel won't let Peter suffer a humiliating death like that outside of an elseworld.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#30404: Sep 15th 2023 at 12:32:51 AM

How transferrable are Norman's sins?

I mean, all of this could be set-up for that Paul/Peter clash, where they get transferred to Paul and he truly becomes the vilain fandom's always known he was. Or something.

In other news, the Christos Gage Spider-Man Unlimited "On the Spot" arc is still great fun. And arguably doing film/MCU synergy the right way - the Spot's never been a great Spider-Man villain, but Spider-Verse found a take on him that's worked, so why not embrace the Ret-Canon?

Meanwhile, Love Unlimited starts a Miles and Peter arc. Not like that. But Miles and Tiana are arguing due to different crime fighting approaches, and Peter is there to be the agony uncle and provide relationship advice. Yes, I know. But it's fun so far. Also, there is Doctor Bong. Apparently they've fought before, but I don't think I ever expected to see Spider-Man vs. Doctor Bong.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30405: Sep 15th 2023 at 12:34:18 AM

The sins juice just do whatever the hell the plot needs it to.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#30406: Sep 15th 2023 at 12:44:07 AM

Can we just skip to the part where MJ gets the sins juice, shoots Norman in the face, Peter cures her, and they break up because he blames himself for letting her be infected and brutally murder Norman.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30407: Sep 15th 2023 at 2:33:33 AM

Maybe Wells can save the run if he has Goblin MJ toss Norman off a bridge.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30408: Sep 15th 2023 at 2:37:12 AM

[up] Resurrected Goblin Gwen, maybe?

If you're going to jump the shark, might as well go all the way.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30409: Sep 15th 2023 at 2:42:20 AM

Well Gwen Stacy kinda came back from the dead in that one Dan Slott storyline.

And there is a Goblin version of Ghost Spider.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30410: Sep 15th 2023 at 3:01:39 AM

TIL that, much like The Killing Joke, Kraven's Last Hunt had a rerelease with very different coloring than the original book. (Notably, Kraven's eye colors changed from blue to reddish.)

Edited by lalalei2001 on Sep 15th 2023 at 6:08:01 AM

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Goku Black
#30411: Sep 15th 2023 at 4:30:38 AM

Ah which looks better for last hunt?

Always been a fan of the original killing joke colouring for being more eye popping

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30412: Sep 15th 2023 at 5:10:43 AM

[up] I think the originals do—there's something about pre-digital ink that makes everything pop, especially with the rain and bright colors. In the original the rain affecting the sky is a meld of blues and purples and browns but in the recoloring it's lines on a digitally-painted sky which doesn't give weight to the rain like the original did.

Also for some reason the recoloring made the piles of spiders green instead of grey.

Here's a comparison.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Sep 15th 2023 at 8:28:14 AM

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reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#30413: Sep 15th 2023 at 7:05:26 AM

Don't know if anyone's ready Spine-Tingling Spider-Man, but the antagonist of the comic is a guy named Paul who gained powers over dreams from eldritch beings singing a horrid nursery tune. Paul's existence threatens all of NYC by preventing anyone from sleeping (as anyone who falls asleep is at risk of having their dreams and life taken from them), tries to take away someone Peter loves (Aunt May), and haunts Peter by making him feel weak and helpless while depriving him of the sleep needed to fight crime effectively.

Does This Remind You of Anything?

I also read Miles' latest comic and man... if you didn't want to cut the guy's arm's off, maybe don't start with your new lightsaber powers, Miles?

Edited by reppuzan on Sep 15th 2023 at 7:05:34 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30414: Sep 15th 2023 at 7:47:30 AM

Paul is just such a meme at this point.

Besides with how this run is going, it seems Peter X Norman is the endgame.sad

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30415: Sep 15th 2023 at 8:00:01 AM

At least with Peter going after Paul, it's a course correction on how he feels about MJ, unless he's like Ross Geller going after anyone who touches Monica

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#30416: Sep 15th 2023 at 9:58:45 AM

If the Spider-Man Who Laughs mocks Paul for his dead kids in addition to killing Paul, it will be the best issue of this run ever.

That's not saying much

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30417: Sep 15th 2023 at 10:04:43 AM

Who da fuck is Monica?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30418: Sep 15th 2023 at 10:08:56 AM

She’s a Friend

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30420: Sep 15th 2023 at 12:20:09 PM

Damn, Friends is just not my generation. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30421: Sep 15th 2023 at 1:32:53 PM

If the Spider-Man Who Laughs mocks Paul for his dead kids in addition to killing Paul, it will be the best issue of this run ever.

That's not saying much

You jest, but it hit me recently that if I was in Wells' position, I would use this to actually cement Paul as someone who was Evil All Along.

How? By having Peter suss Paul into admitting that he knew the kids were fake from the start and he never told MJ about this because he didn't want her to leave him for Peter. The reason why he had that big "Nooooo!" in #26 was because he knew losing the kids meant losing MJ was inevitable. Worse, he lied about being tricked by his Rabin to salt his earth. Paul was in on it willingly.

MJ is, of course, livid about this and demands that Paul leave. He complies, but not before Peter sucker-punches him in the stomach.

And actually, if I wanted to be cruel, I could end the issue by having Peter just quit on MJ. After dealing with Paul, MJ tries to approach Peter to calm him down, but he stops her, saying that she was right earlier about how it's about responsibility and that he understood her. So right now, the responsible thing for him was to just forget about her, as she clearly had, while wondering out loud if he ever actually won the jackpot to begin with.

He starts to leave her, sardonically wishing her luck as the superhero Jackpot. MJ begs Peter to stop, but Peter has already spoken. He ends it on one last sting by telling her "don't call me again."

Peter leaves and MJ is, of course, heartbroken. She didn't just push Peter away. She broke him.

To be continued...

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#30422: Sep 15th 2023 at 3:35:23 PM

NGL I'm kinda hype over Death of Venomverse saying Knull vs Carnage next issue. Carnage has been trying to power himself up to challenge King in Black Venom, so him trying to usurp the title from Knull would also put him on that level.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30423: Sep 15th 2023 at 7:56:09 PM

[up][up] Honestly after the way MJ has been written this run I don't want Peter to take her back at the end.

This is the kind of bad you'd need MJ was a Skrull all along explanation.

You can't just go back on beloved love interest cheats on the hero without a significant retcon.

Look at Gwen Stacy.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30424: Sep 15th 2023 at 8:00:30 PM

Wasn't MJ in an Absence Makes the Heart Go Yonder situation where she was without Pete for years because of weird time magic stuff? I'm not sure I can consider that cheating tbh

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30425: Sep 15th 2023 at 8:03:07 PM

[up][up]I'm just assuming everybody in this run is actually a Space Phantom or something until proven otherwise.

Edited by lbssb on Sep 15th 2023 at 11:03:23 AM

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