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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30376: Sep 13th 2023 at 1:00:56 PM

I wonder if anyone will ask him about his choices during this run?

I wouldn't be surprised if at least one person behaved like the Q and A guys in this clip.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 13th 2023 at 4:24:35 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30377: Sep 13th 2023 at 1:03:04 PM

Let's not be on him personally.

Keep all criticism on his writing choices. I'm sure he's probably a nice guy IRL.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30378: Sep 13th 2023 at 1:41:50 PM

Agreed.

Though like I said, I won't be going so no matter what kind of questions I'd like to ask, the opportunity won't come.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30379: Sep 13th 2023 at 1:48:21 PM

If I was there, I'd ask him to sign my copy of Revenge of the Green Goblin. cool

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30380: Sep 13th 2023 at 1:50:05 PM

Keep all criticism on his writing choices. I'm sure he's probably a nice guy IRL.

Agreed.
(*stares at his "press X to doubt" button, then pushes it away*)

You guys are right.

Yes, I keep making big stinks about how not-great the Wells ASM run has been, especially the treatment made to MJ, but there comes a time where we need to pump the brakes and stop ourselves from speaking as though this case of bad writing will be what causes World War III.

This is that time.

Last thing we want is to be compared to The Eltingville Club. note 

And as J.M. DeMatteis once said, comics are cyclical. As fast as it was for one writer to break apart Spidey, another one can build him back up just as quickly. We just need to sit tight.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 13th 2023 at 4:51:31 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30381: Sep 14th 2023 at 1:09:53 AM

Zeb does get that Peter and MJ are meant to be the end goal and has stated as such, he also signed a fan's copy of the wedding collection wishing the pair were well "forever", so I think he's a good sport about it, it's a simple matter of him 'accepting the assignment' (as Slott would put it)

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30382: Sep 14th 2023 at 1:11:11 AM

Boo!

Black Cat and Peter!

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#30384: Sep 14th 2023 at 1:22:48 AM

It'd be a lot easier to stomach the whole "comics are cyclical" thing is a.) the stories were good, b.) the changes weren't so hamfisted, and c.) the way everything was done wasn't so meanspirited.

Fans can be assholes, yes, but that doesn't absolve the guys making and selling the comics from also indulging in dirty or uncouth behavior. You want young and single Peter Parker? Do the Ultimates line every 5 or 10 years. Don't swing a sledgehammer into the fan's nuts and then pretend like you didn't do it for the next 20 years while also vaguely implying you might apologize for it this time.

You want to bring back Ben Reilly as Spider-Man or have MJ be a hero for a short while? Don't lobotomize him or have her written out of character for the entire run, rendering our reactions to these fun temporary storyline completely negative.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30385: Sep 14th 2023 at 2:44:50 AM

See I'd be more willing to accept the "homework assignment" if guys like Slott and Wells weren't such trolls in interviews regarding their "creative choices" cleared by editorial.

So them saying it's the job they had to do comes off as shifting the blame after fans gave them shit for the writers' smart ass responses to their criticism.

Cases like Wells bragging in interviews with Lowe he'd have to avoid conventions for cheaply killing off Ms. Marvel with no build up. Or Dan Slott's entire Twitter account.

Compare it to Nick Spencer and JMS who were both very vocal about their distate with editorial with JMS requesting his name be taken off OMD be Quesada basically rewrote the entire story himself.

Maybe this is me because of my job (military) you can be the nicest guy in the company, battalion, brigade etc but if you suck at your job expect your annual performance review to reflect on how trash you are.

Edited by FKJ10 on Sep 14th 2023 at 2:45:41 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30386: Sep 14th 2023 at 2:50:24 AM

You a military man? I don't mean this in a rude way, but that certainly explains part of why you prefer Punisher Spidey.

But on that, I do agree that creators do have to accept some responsibility for how they handle said assignments, Wells was given the task of killing Ms. Marvel but how he went about it was pretty shitty.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30387: Sep 14th 2023 at 2:57:16 AM

Oh none taken to be frank the military loves Frank Castle alot more than Steve Rodgers.

You see his emblem on nearly every t-shirt, coffee mug or custom patch in the px.

You rarely see Caps shield.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30388: Sep 14th 2023 at 3:02:15 AM

Punisher Spidey does give me the vibe that the military would love him as a mascot TBH. He's got guns, willing to kill, has superpowers, is portrayed as effective in it, and retires peacefully(Albeit with some shadows in his future.) passing on the mantle to Frank unintentionally so the Punisher lives on.

That would make hell of a recruitment comic.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 14th 2023 at 6:02:28 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30389: Sep 14th 2023 at 3:35:03 AM

Marvel would never partner with the military for recruitment in this political climate especially with Frank Castle. Despite him resonating with most vets more than Steve.

Ironically enough The Punisher is more popular now than ever with the military and police because of how Marvel has basically thrown the character away to avoid controversy.

But back on topic I really don't want Osborn Sins Peter to put on that Goblin mask and Glider.

Just stick with the Black Suit to show he's gone off the deep end. It's simple, it's classic and as of late fits better with the black airforce 1 meme.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30390: Sep 14th 2023 at 3:37:21 AM

My TLDR summary of my opinion of Frank Castle's problems is that I don't disagree he makes an excellent fascist villain.

But you could solve most of the problems with him...by not writing him as a fascist.

Just a generic action hero.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30391: Sep 14th 2023 at 3:46:43 AM

That's the problem with Frank he's an action film hero stuck in a comic

No one decries Rambo, John Wick or James Bond as monsters despite them stacking up enough bodies to fill a cemetery.

Heck with John Wick they make memes of how he can kill anyone if they hurt his dog. But Frank is the bad guy because comic writers love their villains too much. So they will break their necks to justify why Osborn or Joker (who Frank nearly killed one time) don't deserve to die for the graveyards they've filled.

In fact everytime I see Joker nuke a city or torture some poor soul. I will always say remember Batman saved this guy's life.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30392: Sep 14th 2023 at 5:06:16 AM

Jumping aside from Punisher debate #4789274, I’m very curious if Spider-Man gets a goblin costume.

Like he’s had costumes that evoke his other villains, like the Superior Soider-Man outfit he once used, so a Goblin outfit would be interesting.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30393: Sep 14th 2023 at 5:44:39 AM

Please no I barely tolerate Spidey willingly using the gear of the man that killed his daughter as is.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30394: Sep 14th 2023 at 6:26:24 AM

Just speculating but really this whole run is a shit show so might as well play along.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30395: Sep 14th 2023 at 11:10:48 AM

Peter's next target is Paul and suddenly this is my favourite issue all year

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30397: Sep 14th 2023 at 2:12:20 PM

Cannot tell if this is an attempt to make us feel bad, or an attempt at giving us what we want.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30398: Sep 14th 2023 at 2:43:10 PM

No matter how much they play this for horror, I guarantee all the fanbase is going to be cheering for Spider-Goblin’s beat down of Paul.

Assuming they actually let him of course.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30399: Sep 14th 2023 at 2:49:54 PM

Yeah. They really need to cut their losses with Paul and give up.

Nothing they do will make him likeable.

Like, literally every thing he does (even if it's just staring up at the sky) makes people hate him more.

Evil Peter beating him to death isn't something anyone is going to be against.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30400: Sep 14th 2023 at 3:49:04 PM

I have a feeling this will end up in Jackpot defending Paul against evil Peter, which leaves an absolutely awful taste in my mouth.


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