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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30276: Aug 28th 2023 at 1:02:37 PM

Dunno. Maybe life of Reilly gets into it, though that blog tends to pass the buck sometimes.

All I know is that Bob Harris didn’t like Harry so they went with Norman.

Which is much better IMO. I preferred the way Harry went out in spectacular 200.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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Funny but not helpful
#30277: Aug 28th 2023 at 1:16:48 PM

According to Life of Reilly it was believed that Harry wasn't a credible enough of a threat to mastermind the big, complicated scheme. Its also why it was vetoed to have Norman be Gaunt (why it seems to shift from him being the guy behind things to not) or to have him be bedridden and recovering those years he was presumed dead.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30278: Aug 28th 2023 at 6:14:37 PM

Problem is Norman being the mastermind behind everything since Gwen Stacy's death just raised further questions

Like if he was watching and manipulating things so well that he could replace Aunt May with an actress who would die for him. Why did he let Harry die

How did Robert Kingsley break into several of his old bases and steal his secret journals if he was still alive and watching from afar.

Glenn Greenberg and Tome Beevort both commented on the implausibility of "Mastermind Norman."

The Clone Saga was another case of Spider-Man editors taking turns trying to "fix" a simple story and making it into a bloated confusing mess.

Just like the Hobgoblin Story

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 28th 2023 at 6:17:54 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#30279: Aug 28th 2023 at 8:47:29 PM

It's funny that they thought Harry wasn't competent enough to be a huge mastermind, when the story where he made robot versions of Peter's parents just to screw with him isn't that long away from the Clone Saga.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30280: Aug 28th 2023 at 10:16:24 PM

Compared to Norman who never did anything that overly complicated.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 28th 2023 at 10:18:36 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30281: Aug 28th 2023 at 10:27:59 PM

Honestly, the whole robot plan is pretty simple. Just build some robots that look like Peter’s parents to fuck with him. It’s not that complicated.

Considering Harry’s grudge with Peter, his own issues with dad, and deteriorating sanity, him building the robots to fuck with Peter isn't too much of a stretch even if it was a hasty retcon because Marvel regretted bringing back his parents.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 29th 2023 at 1:30:30 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30282: Aug 28th 2023 at 11:14:57 PM

I believe they always intended the parents to be robots.

Oddly, I'm fond of them to an extent. I headcanon the LMD Parkers are the ones that adopted his sister.

Which would be just weird enough to be canon.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30283: Aug 29th 2023 at 1:02:31 AM

haha whoops

Edited by Saiga on Aug 29th 2023 at 1:04:44 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30284: Aug 29th 2023 at 1:03:34 AM

Think you meant the Marvel thread.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30286: Aug 29th 2023 at 2:10:24 AM

So there now exists a copy of the Wedding Album signed by Zeb Wells, Dan Slott, and Joe Quesada

They even left personalised messages

Wells: "I hope you stay together FOREVER"

Slott: "Have a devilishly good marriage, and don't forget to renew your vows"

Quesada: "Peter and MJ...sorry, best wishes"

Edited by Zarius on Aug 29th 2023 at 2:20:53 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30287: Aug 29th 2023 at 2:54:52 AM

Signatures of the three most hated men in the Spider-Man franchise.

Remember when Avi Arad had that infamy.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30288: Aug 29th 2023 at 2:55:20 AM

Is Avi Arad pro or anti OMD?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30289: Aug 29th 2023 at 4:50:41 AM

No Avi Arad was the movie producer that put Venom in Spider-Man 3 because of the Symbiote popularity and the reason Raimi never did Spider-Man 4.

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Goku Black
#30290: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:06:27 AM

Tbf in contrast. Sony has done a better job with the franchise.

And Arad has helped produce much better stuff like spiderverse. It's Just people focus on the bad.

Wells and lowe contrast have been toxic to the brand with their odd decisions.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30291: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:20:00 AM

Yeah I know who Avi Arad is. I’m curious if he’s pro or anti marriage.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30292: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:27:11 AM

Peter B. Parker got divorced but got back together with MJ for good

[Two things Joe "deal with Satan" Quesada was vehemently against to "protect the Spidey brand"]

Now baby Mayday is alive and well with semi retired Spider-Dad happier than ever

[Marvel editorial would rather have Norman getaway with infanticide and have Peter cucked by some rando named Paul then ever be a happy family man]

Avi Arad produced both Spiderverse movies that gave us the older mature Peter fans have been begging for.

I think it's safe to say he's pro marriage.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 29th 2023 at 5:37:43 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30293: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:39:08 AM

Funnily enough, I was a kid when Spider-Man 3 came out, and I was hyped to see Venom in it. Parents bought tickets for the entire class when it came out on my birthday. Can’t remember if the rest of the class liked it.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30294: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:48:51 AM

I liked Spider-Man 3 so much I bought it on bootleg, saw it in theaters and it was my first Blu ray movie I watched on my cousins PS 3. That had the Spider-Man movie lettering.

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Goku Black
#30295: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:50:45 AM

You Think marvel will have spider goblin throw Jackpot of a bridge as a reference?

Since marvel really seem to be leaning in on hate reading the comics

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30296: Aug 29th 2023 at 6:03:19 AM

They constantly keep referencing that damn bridge every time.

It's the Goblin gimmick at this point.

So yes if Goblin Spidey fights Jackpot expect him to throw MJ off the bridge. Preceeded by a rant about how she's betrayed and hurt him

In a villanous "No One Crosses the Goblin Spider AHAHAHA" monologue.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 29th 2023 at 6:03:33 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30297: Aug 29th 2023 at 6:04:04 AM

Face it MJ, I hit the jackpot.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30298: Aug 29th 2023 at 6:51:11 AM

[up]MJ: Was your sense of humor always this bad or did I just not notice because we were married?tongue

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30299: Aug 29th 2023 at 6:53:24 AM

Spider-Goblin: Oh honey, all your marriages are a bad joke.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30300: Aug 29th 2023 at 6:55:19 AM

Seeing Peter as evil should also be quite treat for Felicia.

"Dear Lord, was this what I looked like during my Queenpin phase?"


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