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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

Please follow the spoiler policy rules - tag spoilers for the latest issues, for any previews or content leaks, and for off-topic comics. When including spoiler tags, try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?).

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30226: Aug 26th 2023 at 5:38:16 AM

[up] I think if Slott had his way, the Renew Your Vows family would have been revealed as the real ones (remember the 'deja vu' tease during Power Play)

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30227: Aug 26th 2023 at 6:48:38 AM

It appears Wells confirmed at a convention Friday that his run is ending at ASM#60, he also said he'd like to move on to either Electra or Wolverine next.

Yo, what?! You got a source on that? surprised Because I haven't heard anything about Wells and conventions aside from maybe a tweet saying he looked like a zombie in a convention.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#30228: Aug 26th 2023 at 6:56:06 AM

Honestly if they remembered I think MJ should be not exactly fuming with rage at him or declaring him the worst or whatever, but she should be a little pissed at Peter for the whole Mephisto thing, even if she was okay with it. (Was she? She probably was?)

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30229: Aug 26th 2023 at 7:00:23 AM

She actually said yes to Mephisto instead of Peter.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#30231: Aug 26th 2023 at 7:02:50 AM

Also, do these people assume marriage is magical or something? They've already lived together and had a child.

How is this different?

For a lot of people, getting married is a religious ceremony.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30232: Aug 26th 2023 at 7:04:09 AM

So do I.

But the idea that a decade together and child means nothing by comparison is ridiculous.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 26th 2023 at 7:04:17 AM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#30233: Aug 26th 2023 at 7:05:09 AM

Come to think of it, Spidey is kinda oddly tied with religion sometimes. Not as directly as DD obviously, but it sure has a lot of sin focus. Granted the concept of sin isn't entirely confined to religion, but "Spidey divorcing wouldn't be very Christian so the Devil it is, super Christian that guy" makes one go HMMM.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#30234: Aug 26th 2023 at 7:08:22 AM

I think they're lazily using religion tropes because they've got zero original ideas but they need to keep making spider-man comics.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30235: Aug 26th 2023 at 9:11:35 AM

Targetmaster Joe: No link I can find just yet, just someone's word on CBR who attended the convention Friday. The bit about wanting to work on Electra or Wolverine did get retweeted though

Edited by Zarius on Aug 26th 2023 at 9:12:16 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30236: Aug 26th 2023 at 9:13:39 AM

[up] I mean, the bit about wanting to write Wolverine or Elektra, I knew about, but the opting out after ASM #60, I didn't know. Although, if history has proven anything, maybe Wells needs to leave women alone, period.

[up][up] Funny you mention "zero original ideas" because video essayist Implicitly Pretentious did a piece on Across the Spider-Verse and it touches on how the movie takes some time to be a "take that" towards the Editorial and this excerpt just hits me in all the poignant ways:

"The film trains you to see everything abstractly while still holding onto the emotions of the characters, so the equilibrium that makes you laugh, cry, and feel excited is still there. The balance is what then allows the family drama in the metafictional commentary to satisfyingly converge. Where Miles, as the son who doesn't want to lose his parents and as a fictional character who's artistically valuable because of them, rewrites what it means to be Spider-Man, so a new mold is made. Because otherwise, if nothing changes and it's all tragedy, then it's all derivative dead ends."

"Zero Original Ideas" and "Derivative Dead Ends". Really hits a nerve, doesn't it?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 26th 2023 at 12:15:13 PM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30237: Aug 26th 2023 at 10:20:10 AM

Superhero comics are built on perpetual melodrama

1. I have a happy family. Dead now

2. My arch nemesis. Accidentally created them

3. Supervillain kills innocents. Lock him up and break out

4. My secret identity. Turns my personal life to crap

5. The love of my life. Fridged

6. Killing the villain. Agnst about it but lock him up again

Then rinse and repeat numbers 2-6 from the next writers run or 1-6 of you are doing a full reboot like the TMNT or New 52

Comics are fully set in their ways about how things should go that they actively sabotage their own characters growth out of fear for harming a "characters brand"

I.E. Joe Quesada as chief editor

Or Hell killing off Mayday and revealing Aunt May was still alive in the Clone Saga.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30238: Aug 26th 2023 at 12:57:06 PM

The tedium of current mainstream comics are likely one of the reasons the industry is in the shape that it is. How many times can readers see the same story beats repeated endlessly before they just get tired of it? They've made it clear that in the case of Spider-Man for one example...that nothing will ever disrupt the current staus quo. So if you don't like reading the eternal failure...you better watch the movies and play the video games.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30239: Aug 26th 2023 at 4:42:46 PM

Hence why Punisher!Peter is best Spidey lol

Because they will NEVER touch that version again unless The Punisher logo stops being associated with the alt right. Hence Peter retiring with Gwen Stacy is that characters end.

But in honesty it's why Sony's versions of Peter (Insomniac and Spiderverse are the most beloved versions now)

Insomniac is the powerful Spider-Man everyone thinks the character is (seriously he went through a damn gauntlet in that game)

Spiderverse is the old mature Peter that seen some shit but got his shit sorted out we all wanted the comics to end up like.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#30240: Aug 27th 2023 at 7:26:02 AM

Cult of Carnage: Misery#4 preview

I love the inclusion of vintage comics panels for the flashbacks, but for some reason when they get to MJ's cameo they use new artwork to represent Spec#200

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30241: Aug 27th 2023 at 8:56:13 AM

Wait, Carnage has a cult now? When did that happen?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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#30242: Aug 27th 2023 at 8:57:33 AM

Around abouts the king of black stuff I think

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30243: Aug 27th 2023 at 8:57:54 AM

So what exactly do they do?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30244: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:05:15 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/23ba0f17_3478_474f_9495_653cabcfd34f.png

Oh god, this is inevitably going to happen.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30245: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:07:44 AM

WHY DID IT GIVE HIM EARS

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30247: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:10:21 AM

I’d prefer it to just stick to Gold Goblin vs Spider-Goblin, TBH.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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#30248: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:20:03 AM

Speaking of Carnage, is anyone following the Death of the Venomverse stuff?

"Carnage symbiote (without Cletus) is seeking godhood, alternate Venoms become cannon fodder in his path" is about as far as I got.

Although I've enjoyed Bunn's work before, so may revisit on MU in a few months time.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#30249: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:48:59 AM

Speaking of Carnage, I’m three issues into the new 2099 miniseries on unlimited and it’s just Maximum Carnage but future

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#30250: Aug 27th 2023 at 10:30:08 AM

[up][up]thats pretty much it. carnage is now immune to fire, can teleport, and has a new version of the necrosword and is killing venoms from across the multiverse to absorb any rare quirks they have like a manias hellmark. cletus is now just a symbiote that takes human form and he tried to use iron man and orchis tech to take over everyone, but iron man destroyed most of him. and in the upcoming carnage ongoing they are gonna reunite


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