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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30176: Aug 24th 2023 at 7:26:45 PM

Does Peter have a job currently?

Edit: oh right, Norman gave him a job

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 24th 2023 at 10:27:01 AM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#30177: Aug 24th 2023 at 8:49:01 PM

Thinking about the Norman thing again, I think Wells might have been trying to signal back to Norman's amnesia period where he was a pretty nice and agreeable guy. The issue, of course, is that this isn't his natural state, but I can see the vision.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30178: Aug 24th 2023 at 11:21:20 PM

Remember when iconic good guy Norman Osborn saved Gwen Stacy and her dad from the Kingpin?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30179: Aug 25th 2023 at 1:44:41 AM

Remember when iconic good guy Norman found out Ghost Spider was alt universe Gwen Stacy and creepily hit on her to get under Peter's skin.

Surprised Miles or Peter didn't deck Norman then and there honestly.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 25th 2023 at 1:44:58 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30180: Aug 25th 2023 at 2:34:19 AM

Peter tossed him to Sin Eater for that comment.

Even friendly neighborhood Spider Man has limits.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30181: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:18:32 AM

But it's just creepy moments like that I will always say Peter should never even be civil with Osborn.

Sins gone or not. Zeb Wells pulling that Norman was like a father to Peter is such crap. Crap that even the Raimi movies disregarded with Peter bluntly saying Ben was his father.

Heck Peter never even met Norman until he unmasked himself and by that time Peter was a grown man in college. So Zeb is just admitting he never read the 70s comics marvel is so obsessed with staying true to.

Nick Spencer put it best with Norman and Peter he's nothing to Peter's but his crazy self destructive friend's evil father.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30182: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:41:11 AM

Yeah, that’s why I warned you about that panel. Even as someone who likes Osborn as a villain, Peter should never say Norman was a good father to him.

This is just such a dumb plot line, but I’m morbidly curious to see where the Peter who norms is going.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30183: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:50:14 AM

The only way I will accept this run is if they reveal at the end "Peter" was a skrull that got a rushed memory and power job. Just to explain how OOC and weak he is.

Yep I will literally take a Secret Invasion II electric boogaloo for some MCU synergy.

Speaking of MCU, I don't wanna hear anymore Iron Man Jr complaints after this run. I will take a billion alt universes where Peter was a Tony Stark fanboy then 1 where he even liked Norman Osborn.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#30185: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:58:59 AM

At this point, I'm just going to assume that Mephisto has been tampering with Peter's memories again off-panel, making him think that Norman was ever fatherly toward him. Why would Mephisto bother with this, you ask? I don't know, maybe Hammerhead or Jeff the Land Shark laid a curse on Peter or something.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30186: Aug 25th 2023 at 6:22:39 AM

I genuinely think Zeb Wells got confused with the Raimi movies. But I’m not just blaming him, Nick Lowe should have caught that.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30187: Aug 25th 2023 at 7:40:05 AM

Except even in the Raimi movies Peter barely knew Norman whose kindness to Peter was just him shitting on Harry.

With the ending being Peter rejecting the idea Norman was any sort of father figure.

Otto was more a genuine friend/mentor figure to Peter before his accident in both the Raimi movie and TAS.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 25th 2023 at 7:40:25 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#30188: Aug 25th 2023 at 7:49:23 AM

I think them meeting at all before Norman was evil comes from John Byrne's miniseries, but that was retconned out of canon almost immediately.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30189: Aug 25th 2023 at 8:09:20 AM

The only way I will accept this run is if they reveal at the end "Peter" was a skrull that got a rushed memory and power job. Just to explain how OOC and weak he is.

I'll only accept this run if it's this or it's some VR memory thing shared by Peter, MJ, Norman, Ben, Kamala run by Beyond.

...Yeah, the second scenario barely makes sense by now, but I digress.

Except even in the Raimi movies Peter barely knew Norman whose kindness to Peter was just him shitting on Harry.

Man, even when Zeb's leaning on the Raimi movies, it's still inaccurate because of what you just said. Guy really is writing fan fic at this point.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30190: Aug 25th 2023 at 8:11:43 AM

Jeff the land shark is a cinnamon roll and would never put a voodoo curse on Peter!

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30191: Aug 25th 2023 at 8:12:43 AM

I cited the Raimi movies because otherwise Wells is implying the story where Norman mentally tortured Peter in addition to actual physical torture AFTER MJ was thought to be dead, to be unironically good fathering and something Peter looks back on fondly.

Even in the Raimi movies, the nicest thing Norman did for Peter out of costume was congratulating him on winning the science award.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 25th 2023 at 11:14:59 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#30192: Aug 25th 2023 at 8:13:11 AM

[up][up] Good point. I doubt Marvel editorial are so foolish as to completely derail such a beloved yet non-household-name character like Jeff. That just leaves Hammerhead, then.

Edited by TrashJack on Aug 25th 2023 at 11:14:33 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30193: Aug 25th 2023 at 9:42:18 AM

The Wells run could be viewed as a natural progression of Mephisto's spell. This is a dark mirror of 616 Spidey on every level. Marvel's version of the Dark Multiverse.

Edited by knightstorm on Aug 25th 2023 at 9:42:51 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30194: Aug 25th 2023 at 9:48:39 AM

Seriously. The unsettling air that hangs over 616 Spidey because of the deal with Mephisto makes it hard to enjoy 616 for me at least. Since Spidey and all the other heroes are living in a reality altered by Mephisto and can never undo it because of editorial.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30195: Aug 25th 2023 at 10:25:37 AM

On a slight tangent...

Have we had Jeff vs. Hammerhead vs. Tiger Shark vs. Shark Girl yet? Possibly with an Alliance of Alternates mixed in.

Why should the ever-growing army of Spider-Folk have all the fun...

The Shark-Verse starts here. Probably with a bunch of confused Spiders sitting on the sidelines (...or staying out of the water) with a "...what?".

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30196: Aug 25th 2023 at 10:30:44 AM

The funny thing is if you removed the tumor of a Norman plot, I really like the old fashioned gang war storyline.

Another reason why Wilson Fisk was A Lighter Shade of Black.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30198: Aug 25th 2023 at 1:56:40 PM

So anyone have shitty names for our upcoming Spider-Goblin?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#30200: Aug 25th 2023 at 2:01:39 PM

Web Goblin.

Arachnophobia

Nail Gun

Silk Terror

The Spider-Man Who Laughs


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