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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
He proved himself eviler than an Ock who was trying to prove he was gooder than Peter
That’s some complicated math
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWell by the end of the run, Doc Ock was pretty much a Villain Protagonist.
So Gobby outwitting him and forcing him to hand back the reins to Peter is a point for Norman in terms of being a villain.
Okay, I’m going to sleep now. It’s late and the Wells stuff has me exhausted.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Yeah this is just some bs also @Redhunter 53 I appreciate that heads up but it's not necessary.
Marvel editorial proved they care more Norman winning more than Peter's happiness to me when he got away with killing Mayday.
Everything after from Sins Past to this is just another circus performer added to this clown show.
Honestly I'm reminded of All Star Superman's repentant Lex Luthor.
At the end Luthor realizes all his hatred for Superman was a waste and has to admit to himself he could have been the savior of the world if he actually cared. And you know what he still gets the death penalty for all his previous crimes.
No "sin erasure" just absolves him of all guilt and he's magically a good person.
Ffs Obito's redemption was handled better than this. He didn't have to be brainwashed to be a better person and he had the decency to stay dead after his heroic sacrifice.
I mean, Norman is Brainwashed and Crazy and that COULD be an interesting story if you don't pretend it's Norman Osborn. He's suffered Death of Personality and there's someone new walking around in his body not remotely like the previous man. However, people keep trying to act like this is the real deal.
I should point out though that I've enjoyed quite a lot of Spider-Man since Sins Past. Spencer's run had a bunch of fun and I enjoy Boomerang nonsense and Felicia's promotion to actual superheroine.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 22nd 2023 at 6:11:35 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I'll second Charles on both fronts, especially since this scenario would actually be way more compelling if Peter never had trust in the 'Sinless' Norman. The talk would be him admitting that, even understanding the situation and knowing that he's done his best to try and make up for all his errors, Peter just doesn't think he'll ever truly forgive him after all he went through - and he expects him to reveal some dastardly betrayal one day and that he'll always expect it. It would even make him taking the sins for Norman much more compelling - despite all the legitimate reasons he could have to just let this happen and ensure Norman will suffer justly, he's still a *Good* *Guy* and won't choose inaction over saving a life.
I mean, there's also the sick and wrong element about this fact. Norman's free will has been compromised.
He's incapable of being redeemed because this is all magical and they should be working to reverse it (and get him serving time). Also, if Norman really WAS a good guy, he'd go and confess all of his crimes.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Joe Quesada would very much like us to not think about that.
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonProblem is they have said EVERYTHING happened except Peter marrying MJ due to a fat guy falling on him on the way to the ceremony.
Spidey should have taken advice from Mr. Incredible and married a superheroine if he was gonna be late to his weddings.
So yeah Peter still knocked up MJ and she had a "miscarriage" thanks to Norman paying off a nurse.


Plus @Hamburgertime when did Slott say that? Just before Superior launched?
That’s def him trolling the fanbase if it’s the quote I think it is.
He had Green Goblin prove Eviler than Thou to Superior. That alone speaks volumes of how Dan Slott actually sees Gobby as a villain compared to Doc Ock.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 22nd 2023 at 5:50:15 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"