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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30076: Aug 22nd 2023 at 2:48:36 PM

Plus @Hamburgertime when did Slott say that? Just before Superior launched?

That’s def him trolling the fanbase if it’s the quote I think it is.

He had Green Goblin prove Eviler than Thou to Superior. That alone speaks volumes of how Dan Slott actually sees Gobby as a villain compared to Doc Ock.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 22nd 2023 at 5:50:15 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30077: Aug 22nd 2023 at 2:50:18 PM

He proved himself eviler than an Ock who was trying to prove he was gooder than Peter

That’s some complicated math

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30078: Aug 22nd 2023 at 2:52:34 PM

Well by the end of the run, Doc Ock was pretty much a Villain Protagonist.

So Gobby outwitting him and forcing him to hand back the reins to Peter is a point for Norman in terms of being a villain.

Okay, I’m going to sleep now. It’s late and the Wells stuff has me exhausted.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30079: Aug 22nd 2023 at 3:06:50 PM

I'm annoyed they killed Harry given Harry alive is far more interesting than Norman alive.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#30080: Aug 22nd 2023 at 3:09:00 PM

[up] Sounds like a perfect opportunity for sinless Norman to make a deal with Mephisto and bring him back.

Well, if Mephisto wasn't locked up, anyway.

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 22nd 2023 at 11:09:33 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30081: Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:21:27 PM

Oh come the actual frack on...

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/sinned_peter.jpeg

Right! Where's Marvel Comics HQ? I'm gonna apply for Spider-Man Assistant Editor.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#30082: Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:22:53 PM

what happen?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30083: Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:23:16 PM

It will be all Worth it if he throws Norman off a bridge.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30084: Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:27:22 PM

[up][up] Looks like Kraven stabs Peter with a sin-spear and now Pete's got Norman's sins.

Because framing Peter for that gorilla business wasn't enough, was it Kraven?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 22nd 2023 at 7:29:19 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#30085: Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:30:19 PM

[up][up] My face hurts from laughing at that.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#30086: Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:34:37 PM

[up][up][up] ...It actually would be worth it if it came to that. evil grin

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30087: Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:45:57 PM

Bring back Squirrel Girl Kraven!

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#30088: Aug 22nd 2023 at 5:26:38 PM

I think it'd be funny if they did something with Squirrel Girl where she thought Kraven was just ignoring her calls because nobody told her he got replaced by his identical son.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30089: Aug 22nd 2023 at 5:27:18 PM

Yeah this is just some bs also @Redhunter 53 I appreciate that heads up but it's not necessary.

Marvel editorial proved they care more Norman winning more than Peter's happiness to me when he got away with killing Mayday.

Everything after from Sins Past to this is just another circus performer added to this clown show.

Honestly I'm reminded of All Star Superman's repentant Lex Luthor.

At the end Luthor realizes all his hatred for Superman was a waste and has to admit to himself he could have been the savior of the world if he actually cared. And you know what he still gets the death penalty for all his previous crimes.

No "sin erasure" just absolves him of all guilt and he's magically a good person.

Ffs Obito's redemption was handled better than this. He didn't have to be brainwashed to be a better person and he had the decency to stay dead after his heroic sacrifice.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30090: Aug 22nd 2023 at 6:10:49 PM

I mean, Norman is Brainwashed and Crazy and that COULD be an interesting story if you don't pretend it's Norman Osborn. He's suffered Death of Personality and there's someone new walking around in his body not remotely like the previous man. However, people keep trying to act like this is the real deal.

[up]I should point out though that I've enjoyed quite a lot of Spider-Man since Sins Past. Spencer's run had a bunch of fun and I enjoy Boomerang nonsense and Felicia's promotion to actual superheroine.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 22nd 2023 at 6:11:35 AM

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CausativeDust Since: Apr, 2021
#30091: Aug 22nd 2023 at 7:16:40 PM

I'll second Charles on both fronts, especially since this scenario would actually be way more compelling if Peter never had trust in the 'Sinless' Norman. The talk would be him admitting that, even understanding the situation and knowing that he's done his best to try and make up for all his errors, Peter just doesn't think he'll ever truly forgive him after all he went through - and he expects him to reveal some dastardly betrayal one day and that he'll always expect it. It would even make him taking the sins for Norman much more compelling - despite all the legitimate reasons he could have to just let this happen and ensure Norman will suffer justly, he's still a *Good* *Guy* and won't choose inaction over saving a life.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30092: Aug 22nd 2023 at 7:39:47 PM

I mean, there's also the sick and wrong element about this fact. Norman's free will has been compromised.

He's incapable of being redeemed because this is all magical and they should be working to reverse it (and get him serving time). Also, if Norman really WAS a good guy, he'd go and confess all of his crimes.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#30093: Aug 22nd 2023 at 7:42:12 PM

He still hasn't told Peter he totally murdered his baby, right?

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#30094: Aug 22nd 2023 at 7:44:24 PM

Joe Quesada would very much like us to not think about that.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#30095: Aug 22nd 2023 at 7:48:20 PM

Maybe he should have picked a different profession than the one where you create stories catering to some of the most continuity-obsessed fans in the world.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#30096: Aug 22nd 2023 at 8:19:22 PM

Or hell, could have just made it so that the pregnancy never happened due to Mephy.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#30097: Aug 22nd 2023 at 9:19:28 PM

To be fair...all of the characters have been magically compromised since OMD. Any decision they make...can arguably be a result of "the deal". It explains why every character has lost IQ points...

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30098: Aug 22nd 2023 at 10:31:22 PM

Problem is they have said EVERYTHING happened except Peter marrying MJ due to a fat guy falling on him on the way to the ceremony.

Spidey should have taken advice from Mr. Incredible and married a superheroine if he was gonna be late to his weddings.

So yeah Peter still knocked up MJ and she had a "miscarriage" thanks to Norman paying off a nurse.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#30099: Aug 22nd 2023 at 10:32:47 PM

I kinda consider 616 Spidey post OMD to be a kind of imposter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#30100: Aug 22nd 2023 at 11:05:46 PM

Best Peter is Punisher Peter until someone can convince me how letting Norman get away with infanticide among multiple other murders is better than simply filling him up with teflon slugs and armor piecercing rounds.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 22nd 2023 at 11:09:04 AM


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