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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29976: Aug 20th 2023 at 4:09:21 PM

We could use more fun, period.

Peter needs some of that as well.

Poor guy is far too defined by his tragedy.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29977: Aug 20th 2023 at 4:12:44 PM

Yeah we just need more creative plots than just Gwen fighting another version of herself.

The fact they made 2 back to back miniseries with nearly identical concepts like that is funny.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29978: Aug 20th 2023 at 4:45:03 PM

I wonder if the writers for Gwenverse and Shadow Clones were aware of each other's pitches.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#29979: Aug 20th 2023 at 11:07:06 PM

[up] If I had to guess, each was probably asked to pitch "Gwen deals with duplicates of herself" plots. It was likely an editorial premise first.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#29980: Aug 20th 2023 at 11:17:59 PM

Fun is subjective and depressing stories aren't inherently bad.

What we need more of are well written stories. Kraven's Last Hunt and The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man are rather depressing, yet they are still better written than the Wells run.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29981: Aug 21st 2023 at 2:03:24 AM

There needs to be a purpose and triumph at the end of the tragedy.

Wells' run has had no purpose or plan for that matter best shown with Felicia, MJ and Ms. Marvel

As each character was handled so clumsily you swear Wells made these decisions last minute.

Then we have Peter working for Norman ontop of his losing streak and getting his ntr'd by Paul.

In no universe will you ever convince me that Peter working for Norman is a better alternative to him killing the guy and isn't an insult to all the people he's murdered. Including Peter's infant daughter.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29982: Aug 21st 2023 at 2:25:49 AM

ASM spoiler

Kraven tries to use the sin-spear on Norman, Peter gets in the way, gets hit, and is infected with Norman's sins. Becomes a Hunter Spider

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29983: Aug 21st 2023 at 2:26:37 AM

Well that is a clever name I'll admit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29984: Aug 21st 2023 at 2:28:51 AM

ffs Peter stop taking hits for Norman the universe is trying to take care of him for you

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29985: Aug 21st 2023 at 2:51:59 AM

Does that mean he technically made two deals with Mephisto now?

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29986: Aug 21st 2023 at 2:59:33 AM

[up] He made a deal with Mephisto in a recent video game too

Edited by Zarius on Aug 21st 2023 at 2:59:49 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29987: Aug 21st 2023 at 3:15:02 AM

[up][up][up] See it's stupid stuff like this. Peter going out of his way to save Norman after everything he's done.

This is Batman performing cpr on the Joker after Nightwing beat him to death for killing Tim Drake level of absurd.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#29988: Aug 21st 2023 at 3:29:20 AM

But if the Sin-Spear hits Norman, we also get the Green Goblin back?. Stopping that sounds like a good thing to aim for.

Not really comparable to the Joker scenario, imo.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29989: Aug 21st 2023 at 3:32:02 AM

I guess it’s up to Norman Osborn to save the day.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29990: Aug 21st 2023 at 4:23:47 AM

[up] Join us in another chapter of The Redemptive Norman Osborn featuring the Unamazing Spider-Loser!

Seriously though, I suppose getting stabbed by Kraven's sin-spear is a fine enough reason for how we suddenly have Spider-Goblin. But FFS, it still stinks.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29991: Aug 21st 2023 at 4:27:23 AM

If Spider-Man writers insist on stupid plots like this, might as well have fun with it. Bring on iconic good guy Norman Osborn.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29992: Aug 21st 2023 at 4:37:23 AM

[up] Ugh, the sooner we get a new editor, the better.

I recall reading a rumor that in light of Tom Brevoort taking over as X-Editor (boo), apparently the Spider-Office and Avengers Office might also shake up editors, with Nick Lowe editing Avengers books and now-former X-Editor Jordan D. White editing the Spider-Books.

Maybe. Fingers crossed.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 21st 2023 at 7:59:46 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#29993: Aug 21st 2023 at 4:55:53 AM

Tbf I think Lowe and Brevoort are fine on anything not spiderman. Like brevoort is proud that Marvel didn't "blink like Dc did and bring back Superman's marriage" (what) and hence happy marvel keeps the marriage between spiderman and Mj non existent. But he also wrote a surprisingly interesting piece on the nature of dc and marvel. Which shows he does know his stuff

I don't think I really have the space to do this topic justice here. But to try to make a start of it: there's a fundamental difference in the way the Marvel Universe and the DC Universe are oriented. By its nature, the DCU has a more optimistic outlook on the world, and the Marvel U has a more pessimistic outlook. Now, that doesn't mean that bad things don't happen in the DCU and good things don't happen in the Marvel U. But it does mean that the DCU is a place where people look up in the sky and admire Superman, whereas people look up and shake their fists in anger at Spider-Man. But in a world of rampant cynicism, it's easy to scoff at an optimistic outlook, and harder to make "sexy", so DC seems to constantly try to make their world more pessimistic. But this clashes with the natures of most of their central characters—it's an ill fit in the world of the Justice League. So it feels artificial, in the same way that you can only have an optimistic Heroic Age in the Marvel Universe for so long before things need to start coming apart again in some ways. To put it in other terms, the DCU is Aaron Sorkin's "The West Wing"—it's not how government actually works, but it's the way you wish that it worked, the way you'd like it to be—idealistic, passionate, energetic, spirited. And so I wish that the DC hierarchy would spend more energy and effort embracing those qualities in their characters. Some of their key creators certainly do—Grant Morrison's ALL-STAR SUPERMAN is a very optimistic work, for example, and that's one of the reasons why it functions so well. And even something like DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, which is gritty as hell, is at its heart about a heroic ideal, a larger-than-life figure who rises up to champion the city in its time of need. But too often, DC seems to try to turn away from their core viewpoint, to make their characters darker or more dystopic or more downtrodden. And it just doesn't play in the long run

Like I would love if both of them went to the other books as they were too entranced in this idea to let go. But their not necessarily bad in general for marvel. I'm sure x men and avengers would benefit them.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 21st 2023 at 4:57:04 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29994: Aug 21st 2023 at 5:49:06 AM

Even if we do get a new editor and writer, I doubt Spider-Man's situation would improve.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#29995: Aug 21st 2023 at 5:55:00 AM

I suppose this is darkly fitting. Both Norman and Kraven have tried to corrupt Peter, and now one of them has succeeded. Ironically, Norman isn't able to enjoy it because he's been purified.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29996: Aug 21st 2023 at 5:56:18 AM

Trust me, when Green Goblin comes back, he's going to lord this whole mess over Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29997: Aug 21st 2023 at 6:02:26 AM

I really hope they kill Norman for a time and then work on other villains. Give us a rest from Goblin nonsense.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29999: Aug 21st 2023 at 7:14:10 AM

I say keep the Goblin wins coming! Norman Osborn is a better protagonist than whatever Peter has become.

5 issues of Gold Goblin was better than this run.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#30000: Aug 21st 2023 at 7:27:26 AM

Earlier into this run, I made a joke about how Norman had become the Marvel equivalent of Tommy Oliver due to how often he switched colors.

I guess hogging all the competence is another thing he and Tommy have in common.tongue


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