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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#29951: Aug 17th 2023 at 11:34:40 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I mean, May wouldn't be the oldest woman she's made a pass at...

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29952: Aug 18th 2023 at 12:22:28 AM

[up][up] Did Playstation Spidey tell him how terrifying Monster-Ock was, or was that a different Playstation Spidey?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29953: Aug 18th 2023 at 2:40:54 AM

Quicksilver is difficult but Peter’s spider sense and own agility is enough that I believe he could win.

Peter actually HAS beaten Quicksilver in a fight, in their first meeting. He was tough enough to take Quicksilver's hits, so Quicksilver resolved to run a circle around Spidey so fast it pulled the air out of his lungs. Spidey nearly lost to that, but he managed to stick his arm in front of Quicksilver's chest and knock him out.

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#29954: Aug 18th 2023 at 2:46:29 AM

Oh cool, my opinion was validated. Also cool, clotheslining the super speedster. A classic.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#29955: Aug 18th 2023 at 7:59:39 AM

[up]x5 The Atoner is not inherently a better characterization or emotional basis for a story than a Villain Protagonist. Personal preference and all that but from what I know of both the original Superior Spider-Man and Gold Goblin they're trying to tell two different stories.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29956: Aug 18th 2023 at 8:20:25 AM

The problem with Superior is that it doesn't know what story it wants to be since it was running on the shock value. Like Dan Slott meticulously defended Spider-Ock's early actions and portraying him as someone who wants to do good when he does things like try to erase Peter Parker, spying on people, brutalizing criminals who have surrendered, and all the other shit, to claiming "Oh he was supposed to be the bad guy from the start to show you all that you all take Peter for granted."

Even though the story gives him a sympathetic send off and has Peter mourn his sacrifice. Which is bullshit.

I felt more for Norman Osborn in Gold Goblin in 5 issues than Spider-Ock in over 30 issues.

If we say both stories are about an atoning supervillain trying to do good, then Gold Goblin wins hands down.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 18th 2023 at 11:21:08 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#29957: Aug 18th 2023 at 8:52:51 AM

Peter actually HAS beaten Quicksilver in a fight, in their first meeting. He was tough enough to take Quicksilver's hits, so Quicksilver resolved to run a circle around Spidey so fast it pulled the air out of his lungs. Spidey nearly lost to that, but he managed to stick his arm in front of Quicksilver's chest and knock him out.

Sounds like a move he's have pulled on Speed Demon. He must have gotten the idea from one or the other.

When did Spidey and Pietro ever fight?

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29958: Aug 18th 2023 at 9:03:45 AM

Judging by how Magneto's early appearances went, he'd probably think Spidey is a mutant, try to get him to join the brotherhood, and they'd fight, with Spidey getting the upper hand briefly, forcing Magneto to flee. That happens in basically every issue until Magneto and Toad get kidnapped by aliens and the group disbands.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29959: Aug 18th 2023 at 9:10:29 AM

Did Erik not have anything similar to Cerebro back then?

Huh. Kinda makes the Wanda/Pietro retcon have a lot more teeth.

And I still hate that retcon.

Peter did take on Erik briefly during Acts of Vengeance, but the latter wasn't really serious, and the former can in the middle of the entire Captain Universe debacle.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29960: Aug 18th 2023 at 9:20:38 AM

He mostly just sees people using their powers and assumes they're mutants. He thought Thor was a mutant, and he's a mythological figure.

To bring it back to Spider-Man, he once saw Electro using his powers, and assumed he was a mutant and the accident which gave him his powers unlocked his x-gene.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29961: Aug 18th 2023 at 9:47:07 AM

Oh right. That was revealed to be a thing during the Big Time arc, wasn't it?

Max had met them years ago.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29962: Aug 18th 2023 at 9:52:01 AM

Amusingly, thanks to JJJ's smear campaign, Doom legit thought Spider-Man was a villain and attempted to recruit him.

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#29963: Aug 18th 2023 at 10:25:09 AM

@lalalei2001: Nah, it was PS4 Spidey who met SpOck, not PS1 Spidey (not sure if they can legally use PS1 Spidey, what with Activision and such; then again, PS4 Spidey almost certainly requires Sony Interactive Entertainment's approval, and End of the Spider-Verse even brought in Atari Spidey). SpOck deliberately singled him out for recruitment during the second Inheritor conflict because that particular Peter was still emotionally dealing with everything that happened with his Otto Octavius in the PS4 game, even after the whole Maggia thing throughout the DLCs. SpOck figured that presenting PS4-Peter with a "heroic" Otto Octavius who became Spider-Man would make him easier to manipulate for his own purposes.

Edited by TrashJack on Aug 18th 2023 at 1:28:27 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29964: Aug 20th 2023 at 1:24:46 PM

Huh they recently released a new trade of the Senan Mc Guire Ghost Spider run. Man to think this was the last ongoing Gwen had in a while.

I never understood the whole point of interdimensional college. Why was Gwen even going to college in 616?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29965: Aug 20th 2023 at 1:32:06 PM

Because it gives her a chance to interact with other people from 616 and that's good.

Of course, the thing is that Gwen's life is permanently and irrevocably ruined in her own dimension due to being outed as a superhero and serving prison time. There will never be a normal life for her again.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29967: Aug 20th 2023 at 1:57:50 PM

Only if that offer is Gwen gets to punch his nuts in.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29968: Aug 20th 2023 at 2:00:31 PM

Does Gwen even have an arch enemy who isn’t derivative of a character from the main comics?

I like evil Matt Murdock but he hasn’t been used in a long time.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29969: Aug 20th 2023 at 2:02:52 PM

You know, I kinda wish Gwen had met 616 Matt now.

Imagine her reaction to finding out he's a good guy and one of Peter's closest Friends.

Imagine 616's Matt's reaction to learning he's that universe's version of the Kingpin....he is that universe's version of the Kingpin, isn't he?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29970: Aug 20th 2023 at 2:03:59 PM

Fisk does exist in Gwen's universe but ninja Matt basically deposes and succeeds him into being an even greater threat.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#29971: Aug 20th 2023 at 2:05:38 PM

Gwen's last couple of minis had new, unique enemies behind them. Versions of 616 foes turned up as elite minions, but they weren't running the show.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29972: Aug 20th 2023 at 2:18:11 PM

Shadow Clones was a fun miniseries with a good enemy, even if she wasn't very colorful.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29973: Aug 20th 2023 at 2:25:05 PM

Funny thing about Mephisto ruining marriages is his very first appearance ended with him forcibly separated the Silver Surfer and Shalla Bal, and he then conspired to put her on Earth, erase her memory, and have Doctor Doom marry her just to torment the Surfer. Her history is wild and I think she most recently became a villain.

And apparently that version of her is a construct and the real one died but they're close enough it doesn't really matter.

Thanks Mephisto. :P

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 20th 2023 at 5:37:37 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29974: Aug 20th 2023 at 2:27:37 PM

The issue with the recent Gwen stories is that regardless of the original big bads, the main stories still mainly revolve around Gwen fighting cosplay Gwen's.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29975: Aug 20th 2023 at 3:32:35 PM

Who were all ADORABLE.

We need more of that in comics. I don't want depressed Gwen. I want Fun Gwen.

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