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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

LadyBlackwood The show must go on from Wouldn't you like to know? Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#29926: Aug 17th 2023 at 3:14:16 PM

[up][up] Yes, it was probably for the best in the long run. But I wonder how it could have gone if Jean and Maddie had been allowed to meet in circumstances that weren't a Crisis Crossover where the latter is possesed by demons.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29927: Aug 17th 2023 at 3:38:31 PM

The real reason why Scott never went back to Madelyne after going to check if Jean was really alive was that Claremont threw a tantrum and refused to allow it, so the writers had to come up with various flimsy in-universe explanations for them to be kept apart.

I have heard he was pretty possessive of the characters that fell under the X-Men banner.

As for Michelle....we'll see how it goes.

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PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#29928: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:14:57 PM

Thing is, at the time there wasn’t even an x-men banner - there was just Uncanny and New Mutants, and he was writing both. He wasn’t being possessive of how other writers used the characters, he was THE x-writer at the time. I can totally see how annoying it would be to then have a spin-off announced which took major characters like cyclops out of his hands, especially if it involved directly contradicting the status quo he’d set up.

There are later instances where he got overprotective, but I understand this one completely

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29929: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:17:24 PM

Part of it was due to the fact he DID have plans for Cyclops and it was aging him out.

Basically, he would be a part-time X-men and mentor while semi-retired from superheroics to show the passage of time.

Which brings us back to Spider-Man and how this is apparently a disease across comics.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 17th 2023 at 4:17:45 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#29930: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:18:03 PM

[up][up]Fair enough

[up]Also Fair enough.

Funny that Cyclops eventually got married (twice) while Peter has been continually stymied on that department, especially when you remember that they essentially started at the same time.

Peter's actually around the same age as the OG X-Men.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 17th 2023 at 4:20:28 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29931: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:24:34 PM

Mind you, I owned the original "Jean and Scott get married issue" from the Nineties.

And that, of course, was utterly smashed up.

So Peter just has the worst of it but by no means the only case. Wolverine, Storm, and every other X-men has been married or near married.

Colossus and kitty? Kitty destroys the poor guy ala The Wedding Singer.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 17th 2023 at 4:25:37 AM

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#29932: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:33:21 PM

"What if it ends up as a consensual polyamorous relationship between all three of them?" Sadly, Marvel does not have anywhere near enough guts to do a story with an explicitly poly relationship. Scott/Jean/Logan, from what I understand, has been mostly subtext, even if Hickman was basically hanging giant arrows pointing to it. But Spider-Man? Not a chance.

"And the thing about Claremont's temper tantrum?

It made for some good storytelling." Some good, sure. It was also where the Jean/Logan ship entered the comics, and I fucking hate that ship. It was not present in the original comics prior to Jean's death. He had feelings for her, yes, but it was clearly one-sided, and he pretty quickly moved on to Mariko. But then Claremont had his tantrum and decided to retcon in this raw animal attraction between Jean and Logan, and no, that was not a thing.

[up] At least with Scott and Jean, the marriage ended because Jean died, rather than through a deal with the devil. Logan is also widowed.

And Kitty leaving Colossus at the altar was one of the best parts of Guggenheim's utterly execrable UXM run. Anyway, she should be getting together with either Illyana or a regular human girl.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#29933: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:49:37 PM

Kitty obviously got tired of dating all the Peters.

And yes, I count Ultimate Kitty dating Ultimate Peter.

From where I stand, it will always count.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29934: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:52:45 PM

Alas, I've always been weirded out by Kitty dating the sister of her crush.

Rachel and Kitty, dammit!

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#29935: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:53:27 PM

Illyana and Rachel are gonna have that face off for Kitty's hand one day.

Just you wait!cool

Edit: Dammit! You all keep making me forget this is a Spider-Man thread.

Anyway....Did Peter ever use Ben's impact Webbing?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 17th 2023 at 4:54:19 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29936: Aug 17th 2023 at 4:54:18 PM

Krakoa is an orgy island. They can also just get married

Just like Peter can’t

Boom, cycled back to the original topic

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 17th 2023 at 7:54:33 AM

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29938: Aug 17th 2023 at 5:22:02 PM

Speaking of Spider-Man and the X-men, I really liked that one random issue where Logan asked Peter to hang out with him on his birthday in a bar somewhere.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#29939: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:01:44 PM

"Rachel and Kitty, dammit!" Rachel's with Betsy now, and from what I've seen they're really good together, and Tini Howard put in the work on that relationship. So, Rachel can stay with Betsy.

I actually do really like the idea of Kitty ending up with a completely normal person.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#29940: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:03:58 PM

The X Men could really use a bigger human supporting cast, really.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29941: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:08:55 PM

Well, they had Moira....but that went down the shitter.

What happened to Stevie Hunter?

Angel used to have Candy Southern as his long time girlfriend. But then Cameron Hodge murdered her.

I think there have been others but they've come and gone.

Edit: And again I say, stop making me forget this is the Spiderman thread.

Since we're so obsessed with X-Men, then here comes an in context question:

Peter vs the original Brotherhood of Mutants line up (Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Toad, and Mastermind).

Who wins?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 17th 2023 at 8:15:38 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29942: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:14:26 PM

Stevie Hunter was last seen in X-men Gold where she's apparently a US Congressman now.

Which came out of left field but I guess no one at Editorial objected.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29943: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:15:13 PM

Beast had a human girlfriend but he was quite the bastard boyfriend so I imagine it was a relief when he dumped her by pretending to be gay

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29944: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:16:36 PM

[up]

Trish Tilby. There had an on again, off again thing if I recall. Even went with them into space one time.

Anyway, putting this up again:

Peter vs the original Brotherhood of Mutants line up (Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Toad, and Mastermind).

Who wins?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29945: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:18:22 PM

I mean Peter against even original recipe Magneto wouldn't go over well.

Peter could solo the original Five X-men but Magneto would stomp him as would Mastermind.

Weirdly, Peter versus original Scarlet Witch would be fun as that was like the early Black Cat fights.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29946: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:22:30 PM

Mastermind and Toad are nothing Peter hasn’t fought before and a lot

Scarlet Witch, even brotherhood days, is more difficult because bad luck is one of those really difficult things to fight against. See also, people that Black Cat screws with

Quicksilver is difficult but Peter’s spider sense and own agility is enough that I believe he could win.

Magneto though is a ridiculous beast of a guy to fight, even for Spider-Man. One of Peter’s weaknesses is having his spider sense overwhelmed and Magneto can throw enough shit to do it

Put them all together and Peter will have trouble. I think he could still pull it off because he’s good at fighting groups but Wanda and Magneto could easily turn the situation against him

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#29947: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:26:42 PM

[up]Technically, the third.

[up][up]Between that comment, her having hooked up with Johnny, Matt, Flash and Thomas, her having flirted with Ben and even her comment about MJ's ass, and the subtext of her relationship with Cindy, Felicia seems determined to sex up everyone in Peter's life. Maybe she'll go after Aunt May next.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29948: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:35:01 PM

I support Doc Ock/Aunt May.

Let those two kids make it work.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29949: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:51:43 PM

I'm a sucker for well-written stories of villains turning to heroes. Otto changing his ways via The Power of Love wouldn't have been a bad way to write him of the story as an enemy of Peter. Heck, I even thought that was how he was going to go in Life Story.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29950: Aug 17th 2023 at 8:54:14 PM

I feel Doc Ock's character development in Superior volume 2 and his meeting with Playstation Spidey were great ways to turn Ock into a hero.

Though amusingly, despite the absurd premise, I found Gold Goblin to be a much better written villain turned hero since Norman actually is guilt ridden and haunted by his sins compared to Ock who spent most of volume 1 being a Villain Protagonist.

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