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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29851: Aug 15th 2023 at 1:18:30 PM

I'm trying to remember when the Ultimate X-men crossed over with the X-men. I wanted to re-read those.

Because they supposedly had some of the mutants pondering what it meant to be "just" more Super-Soldier products after Ultimatum had its big revelation that Magneto's entire philosophy was bullshit.

It's the only place we've gotten an alternate to the "Great Replacement Theory" X-men.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 15th 2023 at 1:19:04 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29852: Aug 15th 2023 at 1:32:16 PM

The crossover between X-Men and Ultimate X-Men happened during the O5 in the future era. They crossed into the ultimate universe, with some of them meeting their counterparts, and Miles (who was still in that universe at the time).

Teen Jean and Ultimate Jean tried to read each other's minds....it didn't go well for either of them.[lol]

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29853: Aug 15th 2023 at 3:16:08 PM

Rhino became a Hulk foe, and Sandman starting fighting the Fantastic Four as part of the frightful Four

Though once Hulk got angry, Rhino didn't stand much of a chance.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29854: Aug 15th 2023 at 3:23:53 PM

That's pretty much the story for anyone who fights the Hulk, except maybe Thor and Juggernaut...

...and the former has still had his losses.

Come to think of it, what's a character in Rhino's ballpark strength-wise?

I'm curious as to where he stacks up among both villainous and heroic bruisers.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29855: Aug 15th 2023 at 3:24:53 PM

Rhino is very much a Depending on the Writer character.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29856: Aug 15th 2023 at 10:25:02 PM

Regardless no where near as tough as say Juggernaut who Spider-Man had an entire underdog story dedicated to trying and stop the guy.

Honestly going by how they are portrayed in media it goes.

1. Hulk

2. Juggernaut

3. Colossus/Luke Cage

4. The Thing

5. Rhino

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 15th 2023 at 10:28:00 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29858: Aug 15th 2023 at 11:38:08 PM

Man, the Thing has really dropped in the rankings. He used to be second only to the Hulk, more or less

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29860: Aug 16th 2023 at 12:01:49 AM

Blue-eyed idol of millions

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29861: Aug 16th 2023 at 12:42:22 AM

Dan Slott revealed his fiancée is a red-head, and yes he made note of the irony.

He also said that anyone who wasn't OK with the current post-OMD 'editorial assignment' would not be permitted to work on ASM, but...wait, didn't Cebulski say something about there not being such a mandate over at Marvel? Has that changed now?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29862: Aug 16th 2023 at 2:02:56 AM

The story over who exactly is enforcing the OMD status quo keeps changing wildly.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29864: Aug 16th 2023 at 2:53:14 AM

It's shifting the blame game.

Point is Marvel Comics don't want Spidey mature, happy and a family main in 616.

They'll throw a bone in elseworld stories.

But overall don't expect any character growth outside of the movies, games and animated series.

ie: Where the bulk of us first encountered Spidey.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29865: Aug 16th 2023 at 3:30:41 AM

Since Pete is a 60's character, it only feels fitting to quote a 60's song on how certain elements of editorial want him to be. A wanderer who will never settle down, going from girl to girl, happy as a clown, with two fists of iron.

Ironically it wasn't Pete who actually wandered around from town to town, but neither Ben nor Kaine were particularly while doing that.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29866: Aug 16th 2023 at 5:39:39 AM

The Thing is objectively weaker than a lot of the super strength guys, but he'll typically beat them through the power of determination nine times out of ten, that's his real power.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29867: Aug 16th 2023 at 5:46:48 AM

He does great on the back foot

Reed once lied to him and said his whole family was dead to see if it would make him win a fight

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29868: Aug 16th 2023 at 5:50:57 AM

Reed is an asshole.

No wonder Spidey gets along more with Johnny.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29870: Aug 16th 2023 at 6:48:17 AM

If I ever wrote Spider-Man, I'd do something off the wall like have a story where he wakes up married to Jean DeWolfe or Yuri.

[up]

A joke about Carnage getting taken down by Snake Eyes occurs to me.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 16th 2023 at 6:48:53 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29871: Aug 16th 2023 at 9:37:20 AM

Is Cortland Kasady an established character or what?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29872: Aug 16th 2023 at 9:44:14 AM

[up] Apparently he's a supervillain named Plague. He first appeared in a 2020 story, so he hasn't been around very long.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29873: Aug 16th 2023 at 10:03:29 AM

At this point...I'd imagine a lot of people don't even want to work on ASM because of the Post-OMD mandate. I mean what would be the point? It'll always have to be the same redundant stories of "young single failure" Peter over and over.

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Goku Black
#29874: Aug 16th 2023 at 10:09:13 AM

On the plus side. The non Peter Parker side of the comics has been pretty Great.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29875: Aug 16th 2023 at 10:09:45 AM

I can't believe NORMAN OSBORN is a more compelling and relatable protagonist than Parker.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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