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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29826: Aug 14th 2023 at 7:56:52 AM

It could also be utterly bizarre in its motivation.

Like Quentin wants to kill the X-men because they turned down his offer to make a pro-mutant movie with himself playing Cyclops.

And they're like, "What?"

"You could have financed it! You have drug money now!"

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29827: Aug 14th 2023 at 7:58:04 AM

He attacks and kills Quire to enforce a one Quentin limit and because fuck Quire

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29828: Aug 14th 2023 at 7:58:37 AM

Surprise revelation: Quentin is his illegitimate son.

"No. It's not true! Its impossible! MY DAD IS A FLATSCAN!?"

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29829: Aug 14th 2023 at 7:59:58 AM

Oh so Quentin is the family name

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29830: Aug 14th 2023 at 8:00:58 AM

The usual, "It was not you, it was your enemies!"

Wife divorced him, remarried.

Had absolutely shit mutant son. :)

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
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#29831: Aug 14th 2023 at 8:17:49 AM

Also, the X-teams are used to tackling telepathic illusionists like Mastermind and Traveller.

Mysterio's toolbox would potentially catch them offguard.

Arcade (another villain who's gone from Spider-Man to mutants) has his robots, but they're not so subtle - Wolverine and other characters with enhanced senses tend to spot them. Compare that to the Daredevil/Mysterio clash...

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#29832: Aug 14th 2023 at 8:36:14 AM

Surprise revelation: Quentin is his illegitimate son.

"No. It's not true! Its impossible! MY DAD IS A FLATSCAN!?"

That's perfect blackmailing material for Mysterio. The X-Men let him make his movie and he doesn't tell anyone he's related to one of them. To show he's not a complete bastard, he makes sure Netflix isn't involved.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29833: Aug 14th 2023 at 8:53:19 AM

Wasn’t one of the reasons for Quire’s riot at Xavier’s breakdown that he learned he was adopted

Also because he was on drugs and because he was an incel? But the adopted thing seems pretty big

Did he ever learn who his bio parents were? Because if not, that leaves a big opening for it to be MYSTERIOOOO

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#29834: Aug 14th 2023 at 9:03:32 AM

[up] The implication, I think, is that his real "parent" was the Phoenix Force. As he's ascending at the end of his arc, he talks about seeing a "big room" where his "real parents" are...

...and then in the final arc, we see him in the White Hot Room, home of the Phoenix.

I believe this was recycled from a scrapped backstory for Rachel.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29835: Aug 14th 2023 at 9:07:42 AM

Fuckin stole someone’s backstory

Worst character in history

Anyway new canon is that Mysterio fucked the Phoenix. The Phoenix is like Aw damn I keep making children and then abandoning them. Then it dumps Quentin in an orphanage

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 14th 2023 at 12:09:09 PM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29836: Aug 15th 2023 at 2:28:27 AM

On the topic of Mysterio I really do appreciate how stories like FFH and Old Man Logan can make him into a terrifying threat.

Gives more credibility to Spider-Man's rogues beyond Goblin, Doc Ock, Kingpin and The Symbiotes.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29837: Aug 15th 2023 at 2:33:30 AM

It’s a recurring bit that if Spider-Man’s rogues ever branch out, they have the potential to be bigger threats.

But on that note, it does kind of surprise me that Spider-Man usually doesn’t have much of a role in Crisis Crossovers, except Civil War and even then.

Heck, Miles had a bigger role than him in Secret Empire for some reason.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 15th 2023 at 5:34:12 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29838: Aug 15th 2023 at 3:55:24 AM

Ultimate Spider-Man did have Nick Fury comment on something like the fact the Ultimates had all the time to be complete assholes because Spider-Man was single handedly keeping most of New York's superhuman terrorists occupied and hyper focused on him.

And Marvel's segregation of lines has always been there:

There's:

  • Spider-Man World
  • Avengers World
  • X-men World

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 15th 2023 at 3:56:15 AM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29839: Aug 15th 2023 at 5:08:24 AM

Side note but this is the post war on terror burnout speaking.

I hate the term super human terrorists. Just call them supervillains.

It's overly wordy and trying to sound way more serious than it actually is.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29840: Aug 15th 2023 at 6:30:23 AM

I'm reminded of that scene in the Boys where they are focus testing various words for terrorists with compound V and Homelander insists on Supervillains.

Much like how the movies have Jameson be the guy to name guys like Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29841: Aug 15th 2023 at 6:38:08 AM

I wouldn't normally use that word but it's the Ultimates and the Ultimates are all one big critique on the War on Terror.

If they were supervillains, they wouldn't be in the Ultimates universe.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29842: Aug 15th 2023 at 7:06:16 AM

It’s a recurring bit that if Spider-Man’s rogues ever branch out, they have the potential to be bigger threats.

I know Doc Ock technically already fought the Avengers during his Superior Spider-Man phase, but they still thought he was Peter, right? So this comment makes me wonder if Ock would still end up whooping their butts even if they knew who he actually was.

Ultimate Spider-Man did have Nick Fury comment on something like the fact the Ultimates had all the time to be complete assholes because Spider-Man was single handedly keeping most of New York's superhuman terrorists occupied and hyper focused on him.

Last I checked, Ultimate Spider-Man was probably the one singular thing about the Ultimate Universe that didn't go sour overnight, so it's kinda funny when writers weaponize this to say something like "hey, you ever wondered why a lot of these heroes are assholes? It's because of this one hero that didn't become an asshole!"

And the Ultimates wanted to train Ultimate Peter... Maybe Peter should've trained them! [lol]

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29843: Aug 15th 2023 at 7:22:35 AM

To be fair, Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum were beyond spectacular in their Genre Killer awfulness.

X-men and the Ultimates both wiped clean by something so beyond godawful.

Plus, Ms. Marvel could never happen because they destroyed New Jersey. It was actually proof the Reset Button in comics wasn't always a bad idea.

Last I checked, Ultimate Spider-Man was probably the one singular thing about the Ultimate Universe that didn't go sour overnight, so it's kinda funny when writers weaponize this to say something like "hey, you ever wondered why a lot of these heroes are assholes? It's because of this one hero that didn't become an asshole!"

To be fair, I added that part. Fury was more cordial and saying that Spider-Man's efforts actually were doing a massive part of the heavy lifting in New York that, technically, SHIELD should have been doing.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 15th 2023 at 7:23:43 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29844: Aug 15th 2023 at 7:36:09 AM

It’s a recurring bit that if Spider-Man’s rogues ever branch out, they have the potential to be bigger threats.

We've mentioned this already on this thread but it's true.

From a meta perspective, a few Spider-Man villains spent some years fighting other heroes (Rhino became a Hulk foe, and Sandman starting fighting the Fantastic Four as part of the frightful Four).

In-Universe, Electro has been noted to possibly be as powerful as Magneto, and of course, there's the Spot.

Shocker was part of a Masters of Evil Line-Up, and the original Beetle was also part of the group before founding the Thunderbolts.

I think a few of them have been farmed out to other heroes as well.

Also, didn't Ock once try to raid Avengers Mansion during an event?

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#29845: Aug 15th 2023 at 12:15:13 PM

To be fair, Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum were beyond spectacular in their Genre-Killer awfulness.

X-men and the Ultimates both wiped clean by something so beyond godawful.

Plus, Ms. Marvel could never happen because they destroyed New Jersey. It was actually proof the Reset Button in comics wasn't always a bad idea.

Feel like ultimates 3 and Ultimatum show why without the various reboots or Death Is Cheap or Joker Immunity how empty the verse would feel.

Just curious why they didn't just make a new universe to do this all over again. Rather than butcher the old one and be shocked that it couldn't survive that.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#29846: Aug 15th 2023 at 12:18:01 PM

Making a new universe was the original plan actually

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#29847: Aug 15th 2023 at 12:19:17 PM

Yeah I know. I watched the reviews.

I'm just curios why they didn't go through with it ?

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#29848: Aug 15th 2023 at 12:32:42 PM

I’ve never heard official word about it but my impression is that too many of the creators got too excited about the possibilities of writing a post Ultimatum world

Like how Spider-Man was supposed to die in Ultimatum but Bendis decided to make his death it’s own thing and to introduce Miles

Loeb went on from writing Ultimatum to writing the fallout to the X-Men of mutants being blamed and losing their leaders

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#29849: Aug 15th 2023 at 12:38:22 PM

I'm curious as to how Hickman's going to reboot it all.

A basic Ultimate v2.0 seems too simple for him.

I wonder if we're going to get something ambitiously meta that allows flexible continuity and will remain a good entry point for new readers even when 10 years down the line.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29850: Aug 15th 2023 at 12:39:21 PM

Knowing that Ultimate Peter might not be part of it makes me sad.

A rebooted version of him just wouldn't be the same.

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