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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#29776: Aug 12th 2023 at 1:20:26 PM

Maybe even earlier, IIRC Ditko himself said he regretted moving him out of high school? Maybe apocryphal though.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29777: Aug 12th 2023 at 1:37:01 PM

There's a lot of apocryphal stuff that's supposedly attributed to Ditko like why he left the books or that he was against Norman Osborn being the Green Goblin.

So I take that quote with a grain of salt.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29778: Aug 12th 2023 at 1:48:34 PM

Given Peter's state since OMD...they could just cease publication of "new stories " and put out a reprint book of stories from the 60's and 70's on an endless loop. That's really what the current editorial seems to want Spider-Man to be anyway...

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29779: Aug 12th 2023 at 1:51:20 PM

I get that it lead to Miles, but I'm still bummed they killed off Ultimate Peter since he was exactly what Editorial wanted, a young unmarried Spider-Man who could have that romantic drama.

Even when he revived, they didn't do anything major with him.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29780: Aug 12th 2023 at 2:58:32 PM

I know Gerry Conway said Peter shouldn't have left high school, which is weird, because he's Gerry Conway and wrote a college aged Peter for years.

Edited by Joshbones on Aug 12th 2023 at 2:58:38 AM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29781: Aug 12th 2023 at 3:10:47 PM

The irony is that even some of the best writers on the Spiderbooks didn't fully get why fans like Pete, or have thoroughly internalized the comic truism that characters need to fully go in a circle, never making anything more than illusionary movements forward.

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29782: Aug 12th 2023 at 3:15:33 PM

Or whether true ignorance or just preferring Gwen, there is the attempt to suggest that from a cynical standpoint that compared to a supermodel, she is the girl next door.

Nah, she is still again going by the cynical viewing still a wish fulfillment gal. And the one to make the moves first only to be spurned by Peter (Not really as he was occupied with Aunt May's health). Before that having Liz and Betty arguing over him.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29783: Aug 12th 2023 at 4:14:17 PM

Was MJ a model when the love triangle was between her and Gwen?

I thought that didn’t happen until after college. It’s not fair to say that Gwen is more girl next door when she died before choosing a career.

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Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29784: Aug 12th 2023 at 4:37:35 PM

I don't think so, but she was a supermodel when marrying Pete.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29785: Aug 12th 2023 at 4:37:58 PM

No, fans preferred MJ because she was the vivacious bad girl and more realized than the now suddenly perfect Gwen.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 12th 2023 at 6:56:58 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29786: Aug 12th 2023 at 4:39:25 PM

Preferred MJ?

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29787: Aug 12th 2023 at 5:24:23 PM

I'm not sure MJ had a job when they were all in college, she just kinda hung out.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29788: Aug 12th 2023 at 5:32:55 PM

I remember her getting a job at a club owned by the Kingpin who used the cameras there to brainwash people.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#29789: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:12:20 PM

Here's the thing as much as people hate on Avi Arad for Spider-Man 3, the fallout with Andrew Garfield and Mornius.....

What has he done that has hurt the character of Spider-Man itself?

If anything he's had his team be extremely respectful to the character and his supporting cast.

While Marvel Comics have done nothing but repeatedly dog and humiliate Peter repeatedly you think they hate the character.

To play a bit of devil's advocate (oh, stop laughing), Arad's screw ups are much more publicized while most people outside of comic circles have never even heard of One More Day or this current storyline by Wells.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#29790: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:54:34 PM

Heck, even here it's like that; I made a Paul joke in the MCU thread a few days ago and multiple people had to ask what I meant. The movies are leagues more interacted with than the source material by the general public.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29791: Aug 13th 2023 at 1:54:35 AM

Yeah and one of them was a comic book reader, and even they thought it was some kind of reference to some kind of phrase, not Paul from the Wells run.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29792: Aug 13th 2023 at 2:01:02 AM

I think they're lucky for their ignorance honestly.😅

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29793: Aug 13th 2023 at 2:04:59 AM

I mean Paul is about as relevant to Peter and MJ's love life as Chat from Marvel Adventures.

Except Chat is awesome.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29794: Aug 13th 2023 at 2:43:26 AM

Hence my earlier point its good all the movies and games are just straight up ignoring the comics.

Because frankly put even trying to follow the good comic stories are a hassle in themselves if they haven't been combined into a graphic novel.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29795: Aug 13th 2023 at 2:51:32 AM

Adaptations have the advantage of being able to take the original comics storylines, see what worked, see what didn't, incorporate what did, and either tweak or exclude what didn't work in the comics. Or just tell stories that carry the ideas, themes, and names of certain character, but changing the plot altogether.

For example: Judas Traveler. In the various adaptations and remakes of the Spider-Man's most infamous storyline, the Clone Saga, how many times has he appeared? Because as far as I know, he hasn't. If you have a clone storyline, chances are you'll see names like Miles Warren, Ben Reilly, and Norman Osborne, but a name you'll never see is Judas Traveler. Because Traveler was a character even the writers at the time didn't know why he was doing what he was doing.

So when it comes to deciding what is put in and what is cut out, the handlebar mustache mystic is the first to go on the chopping block.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29796: Aug 13th 2023 at 9:22:48 AM

[up] Traveller has resurfaced lately over in the X-Men books involved with Orchis

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#29797: Aug 13th 2023 at 9:25:24 AM

And he's, like, super scummy. He's a mutant himself, but he believes mutants have become arrogant in the Krakoan Age and has decided that he's the only one qualified to feed them some humble pie for their "own good." Which he accomplishes by doing things like using literal small mutant children as false-flag suicide bombers. Seriously, that's a thing he did.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29798: Aug 13th 2023 at 9:50:46 AM

-looks at Magneto declaring himself and the other mutants the new gods of the world- Well, he has a point about the arrogance but he's still an asshole.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29799: Aug 13th 2023 at 5:57:59 PM

Between this and Dark Tomorrow, Traveller's character is finally entering his renaissance. Or something.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29800: Aug 13th 2023 at 9:46:50 PM

I mean he's a psychologist illusionist. There's a lot of room to go there.

(He was originally another Reality Warper god-wizard and, oddly enough, that's boring)

But Spider-Man doesn't need Judas Traveler when he has Mysterio.

OTHER heroes would be lucky to have that sort of asshole.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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