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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29751: Aug 12th 2023 at 9:52:19 AM

That marvel document broke Deadpool’s heart

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#29752: Aug 12th 2023 at 9:54:51 AM

[up][up][up]The guy who thinks he is The Protagonist of the story, but actually he is just the third wheel who dated The Hero and The Lancer independently before they got together and left him out in the cold.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Aug 12th 2023 at 12:55:09 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29753: Aug 12th 2023 at 9:57:50 AM

Good times

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29754: Aug 12th 2023 at 10:14:12 AM

Funny but I'd rather stop with this Peter can't be happy or have kids runaround.

As re reading the clone saga made me realize one thing. It had the most unsatisfying ending imaginable.

Norman is back

Ben dies

Mayday is kidnapped.....and we never see her again.

Seriously WTF Norman kidnaps Peter's infant daughter and gets off scott free to torment Peter more in stories with dimishishing returns.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 12th 2023 at 10:17:09 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29755: Aug 12th 2023 at 10:21:09 AM

It’s funny because the Clone Saga 2 was meant to dig Peter out of an angst hold. He’d gotten pretty dark and edgier leading up because of robot parents and computer goblins

Ben was supposed to be a more light hearted Spider-Man who hadn’t gone through that stuff taking over for a while while the books played or is it with who is the real Peter and then ??? Peter is back in the jammies with a fresh new outlook on life

But the Clone Saga just dumped so much more drama and tragedy and angst and existential crises on Peter that it’s a miracle he can function by the end of it.

I believe the books had to jump six months forward so the majority of the curling into a ball and crying and holding Mary Jane would be skipped

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 12th 2023 at 1:21:24 PM

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29756: Aug 12th 2023 at 10:42:12 AM

Just given how Peter's life has been Post OMD...it's astounding he hasn't considered suicide...

Edited by knightstorm on Aug 12th 2023 at 10:42:40 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29757: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:16:07 AM

Frankly it's telling the Spiderverse movies ignore Quesada's editorial decisions in it's Canon events......

Sony's way of saying "yeah we all know you hate OMD and the stories that came after so were ignoring it."

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29758: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:19:18 AM

And the Playstation games also are ignoring the comics...and have killed off May and have Peter and MJ together. The comics are fighting a lone(and losing) battle.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29759: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:30:36 AM

It's becoming very apparent that Marvel's stubborn decision to keep Peter miserable, single and kidless is partially out of spite.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29760: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:40:03 AM

And sunk cost.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29761: Aug 12th 2023 at 11:54:31 AM

Frankly it's telling the Spiderverse movies ignore Quesada's editorial decisions in it's Canon events......

Quesada hasn't been around for years, it was never just him. After all, baby may disappearance happened before Quesada's time.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 12th 2023 at 3:02:20 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#29762: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:05:34 PM

Feel like Nic lowe and tom "Superman's marriage was a mistake and Dc caved by bringinning it back which is why one more day was a good idea" Brevoort among others are more responsible for why it's contiuing now.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29763: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:14:31 PM

This has been happening for a while though hasn't it.

We've mentioned before that one of the reasons Gwen died was because they didn't want her to marry Peter and age the character.

MJ just has a massive level of popularity on her side making it harder to get rid of her.

But yeah. While Sony has pulled a lot of dumb moves, it's frustrating to see that they might understand Spider-Man far better than Marvel themselves.

I'm starting to wonder if this really is similar to what Permulter was doing to the X-Men (they can't have the characters back, so they're doing everything to screw them over).

Only, it's arguably been going on far longer.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29764: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:23:09 PM

[up][up] The first Spiderverse movie had Aunt May dying and Peter divorcing MJ all while being in his mid to late 30s

Aka everything Quesada was against that led to OMD

Also OMD had Mayday erased from existence in 616 after the deal from Mephisto.

While the ATSV has her alive and well with a happy semi retired Spider-dad Peter.

So while Quesada wasn't apart of editorial during the Clone Saga that had Mayday's stillbirth/kidnapping he damn sure put the nail in the coffin.

With everyone else falling suit sans Nick Spencer who got shut down by editorial.

[up] Here's the thing as much as people hate on Avi Arad for Spider-Man 3, the fallout with Andrew Garfield and Mornius.....

What has he done that has hurt the character of Spider-Man itself?

If anything he's had his team be extremely respectful to the character and his supporting cast.

While Marvel Comics have done nothing but repeatedly dog and humiliate Peter repeatedly you think they hate the character.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 12th 2023 at 12:28:43 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#29765: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:24:39 PM

See I get that you said quesada is response for starting it. But he is not the person who has kept it going now. That goes to current marvel editorial. Who could fix it of they wanted but have chosen not to .

Edited by miraculous on Aug 12th 2023 at 12:25:09 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29766: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:26:04 PM

Dan Slott has indicated he wanted MJ and Peter to get back together but got editorial pushback

He also did Renew Your Vows, which had the spider marriage and a spider daughter, Anime

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#29767: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:29:44 PM

Comparing the comics to the Spider-Verse films is really an apples and oranges thing.

It's expected that film series will eventually either come to an end or be rebooted - even the long-running James Bond franchise eventually did a reboot in the 2000's. That frees them to make huge shakeups to the characters and their situation, because none of this can last forever, after all.

But with Marvel Comics, the intent very much is for this all to last forever. Sixty years ago, they debuted Peter Parker as Spider-Man, and sixty years from now, they want to still be selling comics with Peter Parker as Spider-Man, delivering recognizably the same sorts of stories as they did a century prior.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29768: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:31:58 PM

Cool Quesada also went on record saying the MC 2 was the natural progression for the character....

Still went ahead with OMD because it wasn't about telling a good story it was about protecting the characters brand as a young bachelor hero.

You see the problem they can do lip service all they want in A Us but at the end of the day Peter will never be happy in the main universe.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29769: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:40:47 PM

I don't mind Peter single anymore.

I just wish they'd remove the fact he doesn't remember being married.

Also get rid of the misery.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29770: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:42:19 PM

The part about him not remembering being married is why I thought the climax of Superior Spider-Man where Peter vows to take back all of his memories and life from Otto to be hollow since I know he can never get back his marriage.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29771: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:55:34 PM

The first Spiderverse movie had Aunt May dying and Peter divorcing MJ all while being in his mid to late 30s

Neither of those things started with him either. Aunt May was killed off and brought back before Quesada's time as well.

It's important to remember that it did not start with him.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29772: Aug 12th 2023 at 12:56:06 PM

Also, the thing about MJ and Peter is it was WEIRD to break them up because they'd been married for a long time.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29773: Aug 12th 2023 at 1:00:54 PM

[up][up] Again he continued it and solidified it in the most infamous story OMD.

That's my point.

Why do you think stuff like Insomniac Spidey choosing to let May die honoring her sacrifice to save NYC is so important.

It's a direct contrast to how Quesada wrote Peter in OMD.

Also Quesada was against a divorce to split up MJ and Peter as it would age the character to much hence the deal with Satan.

So again Peter B Parkers intro was a direct contrast to post OMD Peter in every way.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 12th 2023 at 1:03:29 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29774: Aug 12th 2023 at 1:06:00 PM

Putting it all on Quesada is missing the point though. These issues would have existed even without Quesada, the problem has always been Editorial not wanting Peter to feel "old".

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29775: Aug 12th 2023 at 1:08:52 PM

As people have said, "Peter can't age" has been a thing since The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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