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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29626: Aug 9th 2023 at 9:39:05 AM

I do find it kind of awkward that Peter lets Felicia go despite her crimes when his whole origin story was because he let a burglar get away with his money and then that same burglar shot Uncle Ben.

I guess maybe if said burglar was a hot 20s something woman, Pete would have sympathy for the burglar.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#29627: Aug 9th 2023 at 9:42:35 AM

[up][up][up] Then the rich people are reimbursed by their insurance company, who pass the cost on to all their customers. Also, whatever security guards were in charge of guarding the rich people's stuff may get fired over this. Plus, whatever attention the police put into solving these robberies results in less attention to go around for other cases.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29628: Aug 9th 2023 at 9:52:34 AM

[up][up]That's just reminds me of when Spectacular made Felcia's dad the burglar that shot uncle Ben.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#29629: Aug 9th 2023 at 10:58:04 AM

[up][up] Eh Felica doesnt kill people.Which i guess is the sticking issue here.

I kinda put her in the same place as her DC counterpart Catwoman.The usual foes are so destuctive that her crimes arent seen as a big deal.

But yea,being hot certainly helps.

Edited by DeanCole on Aug 9th 2023 at 10:59:43 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29630: Aug 9th 2023 at 11:25:00 AM

Then the rich people are reimbursed by their insurance company, who pass the cost on to all their customers. Also, whatever security guards were in charge of guarding the rich people's stuff may get fired over this. Plus, whatever attention the police put into solving these robberies results in less attention to go around for other cases.

Huh. So stealing from the rich....doesn't really hurt the rich that much, unless you take something more valuable than money.

At least Felicia doesn't kidnap or take sentimental family heirlooms.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29631: Aug 9th 2023 at 11:31:24 AM

At least Catwoman used to stick people in death traps and stuff, Felicia never was actually that bad.

It's what made her stint as a mob boss post-Superior so out of character.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29632: Aug 9th 2023 at 11:32:58 AM

“You have stolen, embezzled, and swindled. You have ruined businesses and destroyed lives. When banks fail, it's not bankers who starve. In a thousand small ways, you have hastened the deaths of many. You did not know them. You did not see them bleed. But you snatched bread from their mouths.” - Mr Pump, Going Postal

Anyway, that aside, Miles Spider-Man also stops crimes that barely hurt anyone

He once stopped the Sinister Syndicate from stealing crypto

Now 1) they were physically stealing crypto which isn’t remotely how it works, and 2) it’s just crypto

Just let them steal a server. They have no idea how to get the value out of it

[up] Eh. Writers seemed aware that she’d have to be turned back into a loveable scamp eventually so she didn’t even do anything that bad as a Queenpin. Beat up and hit on Silk a little. Did some crimes. Blackmailed Howard the Duck. Severed Peter’s hamstrings.

All very excusable behavior

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 9th 2023 at 2:34:21 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29633: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:03:11 PM

Going Postal the book vs. Going Postol the movie also have very different opinions on Moist.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29634: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:20:34 PM

I don’t remember the differences off hand. Is the speech different in the book?

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Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#29635: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:23:46 PM

[up][up][up] She did kill Starlord's friend and start selling Diamondhead off in pieces in Starlord, brainwash and kill a bunch of other people (including with an escalator) in Hawkeye vs. Deadpool, and try to burn Aunt May, JJJ Sr., and another woman alive in an ASM story.

Edited by Sircray on Aug 9th 2023 at 4:24:12 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29636: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:25:40 PM

Aunt May is a revenant. Victimless crime

The other things do sound bad though

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#29637: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:28:02 PM

The legalities surrounding The Undead in the Marvel Universe sound like a headache.

Wake me up at your own risk.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29638: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:28:34 PM

I don’t remember the differences off hand. Is the speech different in the book?

It's essentially flippant. The golem pointing out Moist killed 4.5 people equivalent by his crimes being said as he left the room is treated as a joke rather than a serious reflection on Moist's character. The movie, however, shows Moist tormented by visions of people effected from the Butterfly Effect of his crimes. Whereas the book otherwise shows him as a Lovable Rogue.

I admit, I always do love the Classy Cat-Burglar vs. Vigilante Man contrast.

In my latest supervillainy manuscript, I had one of the characters pause to Shut Up, Kirk! by pointing out that he's engaged in assault, battery, and a host of other crimes so where the hell is he getting off coping an attitude about crime.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 9th 2023 at 12:31:01 PM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29639: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:34:33 PM

I'm reading the Black Cat and Spider-Man trade that collects her original appearances and they're kind of funny to read today because the Marvel comics do away with any pretense that Peter isn't struggling with arresting Black Cat for any reason other than she's hot.

She even pretends to be insane and in love with him to get Peter to turn her over to a clinic that she easily escapes from.

(Which is totally a shot at Arkham Asylum - and shown to be a pleasant actual non-Bedlam House)

There's also the fact he tries to get her a pardon from the DA and Jean De Wolfe gets really ticked at it (which takes on an Alternate Character Interpretation when we find out she's carrying her own torch for Spider-Man).

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29640: Aug 9th 2023 at 12:55:34 PM

Reminds me of his relationship with the Black Fox, an old man thief who used his resemblance to Uncle Ben to guilt-trip him into letting him go.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29642: Aug 9th 2023 at 5:51:05 PM

Eh Felica doesnt kill people.Which i guess is the sticking issue here.

She did kill an old man who was friends with Peter Quill during her Queenpin days though.

Edit: Seems Sircray already mentioned that, nm.[nja]

Edited by Cortez on Aug 9th 2023 at 8:58:30 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29643: Aug 9th 2023 at 5:53:55 PM

She was mind messed with by Mephisto.

She also was Character Derailment-ed in order to have Peter and MJ marry by turning her into an assassin.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 9th 2023 at 5:58:56 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29644: Aug 9th 2023 at 6:48:07 PM

I've always said Peter is closer to Ben and Kaine than half of the people they try to team him up with, and it seems Spencer agreed with me.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29645: Aug 9th 2023 at 6:54:30 PM

Why not just shove him in as a plus one?

What’s the thought process to not have him at all?

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29646: Aug 9th 2023 at 6:55:23 PM

Well, was. Ben and Peter aren't so close now.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29647: Aug 9th 2023 at 6:55:54 PM

I like Ben but I honestly think he works better as a character you bring out occasionally from the box versus an ongoing presence.

Do what they planend to do with Peter with him.

He and his girlfriend go into retirement in California. Have him start a new Parker Industries.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29648: Aug 10th 2023 at 12:36:09 AM

Since Ben and Kaine are both firmly B-tier characters in terms of popularity, sales, and exposure, that gives them some more leeway in terms of what they can do with the characters.

Like, you couldn't have Peter or Miles suddenly become an Adventurer Archaeologist for 12 issues who goes to unearth the ruins of knife-wielding spider deity in Peru with a whole new supporting cast, but you could do that with Ben, Kaine, and Ezekiel, for example. The question is, of course, would it sell well enough to stay in print. A book with either of the two more popular Spider-Men gets more sales than your average comic, a book with either Scarlet Spider doesn't necessarily.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#29649: Aug 10th 2023 at 12:41:40 AM

The recent Spider-Gwen limited series ended with her surviving clones moving away to live their own lives, not wanting to be supporting characters in Gwen's story.

(And, yes, it was said in a Leaning on the Fourth Wall way that hinted at that, not just "we need our own lives").

Feels a little like a "what you *should* have done" to some of Peter's clone stories.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#29650: Aug 10th 2023 at 4:29:48 AM

[up][up]Though in Ben's case, it means we get contentious developments like Chasm.


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