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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29401: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:00:16 AM

MJ, dumbly couldn't tell this was Peter. Despite back in Kraven's Last Hunt she knew instantly the Russian wasn't her husband because of how vicous he was. Which was exactly Otto's gimmick as Peter spider-man but vicous and calculating.

This is one of many reasons why I can't take Superior Spider-Man as anything but a bad joke. I know that suspension of disbelief is sometimes needed to make a story work, but when you're asking me to just ignore that large swathes of characters (including many who deeply and intimately know Peter) are acting like babbling imbeciles, than you're basically asking me to drop all standards for a work you're asking money for, which is asinine to me.

All this story has done is turn Zeb into one of the most disliked writers at marvel. When he has a pretty decent run before this.

The hands are only as good as the brain will let them be. Much like Henry Cavill is a great actor for Superman who was held back by an ill-suited director, any good Spider-Man writer will be held back by editors who don't want them to write anything outside of their extremely narrow and specific vision for the IP, I mean money-maker, I mean character.

You can be the best comic writer in history, but if your boss tells you to write fifty issues of the main character accidently selling heroin to a middle schooler and then being kicked in the balls by everyone in New York, well there's only so much you can do with that premise.

Restrictions can make a good work, make authors think outside the box, but they can also deflate any potentially interesting idea because there is so little to actually write.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29402: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:14:06 AM

What's worse is that Superior references Kraven's Last Hunt in the Peter's memories are becoming Otto's sequence.

So Slott is basically telling us, "yeah MJ should definitely know what's up but just ignore it for plot and Mephitso OMD reasons".

[up]I'd be more forgiving to Wells if he hasn't gone in most interview saying. "Yeah this is all my idea and Lowe is enthusiasticly giving me the thumbs up."

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 5th 2023 at 3:16:02 AM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29403: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:21:29 AM

I mean, is he allowed to say anything but?

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29404: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:34:46 AM

JMS went on record both times how much against he was on Sins Past and Quesada's version of OMD to the point he wanted his name taken off the issue.

Wells ain't being held hostage he's a willing participant.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29405: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:38:57 AM

Yeah, the editors don't have the power to muzzle the writers, this is mostly Wells' vision with some input from Lowe.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29406: Aug 5th 2023 at 4:08:21 AM

Fair enough. Good writers can sometimes put out bad work, or unpopular work, or work that just don't mesh with what the fans want. Sometimes it just happens.

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#29407: Aug 5th 2023 at 6:19:18 AM

You can be the best comic writer in history, but if your boss tells you to write fifty issues of the main character accidently selling heroin to a middle schooler and then being kicked in the balls by everyone in New York, well there's only so much you can do with that premise.

Nah, we all know that Peter specifically isn't allowed to sell drugs... unless he's wearing the symbiote. Then it's apparently okay by Marvel.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#29408: Aug 5th 2023 at 6:22:43 AM

he's not allowed to be a drug dealer or be gay apparently

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#29409: Aug 5th 2023 at 6:23:06 AM

I really want a writer to actually do it? Give us black suit drug dealer Peter Parker

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#29410: Aug 5th 2023 at 6:26:19 AM

Venom would be the pushy drug dealer though

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#29411: Aug 5th 2023 at 6:38:42 AM

[shoves cocaine in face] "Now dig on this."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29412: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:40:36 AM

Basically, Paul is a guy who helped his father commit mass genocide in another dimension.

Wait. He helped Rabin? I thought he was just atoning due to basic Sins of the Father stuff.

I feel an uncanny urge to defend Paul the more people hate him, despite knowing he kinda deserves it, but if he really helped then that just makes him look worse.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29413: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:48:34 AM

He helped with his dad's "Imma become a God plan" that caused the extinction of all life in his universe.

But he "didn't know the consequences" and was really sad about it.

MJ compares his "mistake" (accidental genocide) to Peter letting the robber go that killed Uncle Ben.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29414: Aug 5th 2023 at 8:17:52 AM

Kinda different in scale, MJ

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#29415: Aug 5th 2023 at 11:56:44 AM

What's fascinating to me is that the robber could have killed anyone else. Has there ever been a What If were that happened and Peter still becomes a superhero?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29416: Aug 5th 2023 at 12:00:09 PM

Its funny that the disconnect between wrestling box office robber and house burglar The Burglar is so big that various things have been written trying to justify it. One of them was that coincidentally, the house of the dude that let him get away with one robbery had a secret cash trove in it. And because Peter can't have nice things, it turned out that the cash had been destroyed by silverfish so it was all for nothing.

I think another version had the Burglar recognize Peter and follow him back to Forest Hills and broke into the house to try to form a partnership with him, making it a more direct connection between Peter's indifference to stopping a non violent crime and the violent death of his father figure

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#29417: Aug 5th 2023 at 12:03:01 PM

Its like how the murder of Bruce Wayn's parents in crime alley,the murderer has gone from a random crook to the super villain Joe Chill

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29418: Aug 5th 2023 at 12:08:49 PM

[up][up][up] There was one where he robbed the house next door and Mary Jane was killed, though I don't remember the specifics of that issue.

For what it's worth Joe Chill was just a thug most of the time too, though sometimes he was acting on orders.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 5th 2023 at 3:09:36 PM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29419: Aug 5th 2023 at 12:39:34 PM

I think the "Uncle Ben was shot over buried treasure" retcon is funny because it contextualizes something that I never really thought had to be explained.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29420: Aug 5th 2023 at 2:18:31 PM

I liked Amazing Spider-Man too in that Peter's choice to do nothing is a direct response to someone being an asshole.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29421: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:41:45 PM

Given the amount of alternate universes centered on Spider-Man alone, have there been any where either Peter or Jameson are POTUS?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#29422: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:43:01 PM

if Peter was President of the United States he would get impeached and then make a deal with the devil to win the next election

dont tell the writers this idea its too clever for them

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#29423: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:48:55 PM

We've just had Flash as POTUS in the Venomverse webcomic, though...

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#29424: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:51:30 PM

fastest presidency in history right?

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#29425: Aug 5th 2023 at 8:35:51 PM

Sure but it ended in carnage.

Edited by Spirit on Aug 5th 2023 at 11:35:58 AM

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