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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#29326: Aug 2nd 2023 at 6:26:15 PM

There wasn't exactly a lot of commitment to this plot, was there?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29327: Aug 2nd 2023 at 6:37:48 PM

I'd say that's poor editing on the part of an editorial that has a dead man's grip on this particular book, but that would imply that editorial has actually done any editing in the last five decades.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29328: Aug 2nd 2023 at 6:50:07 PM

The funny thing is if they wanted MJ to actually be separated from Peter, they should have actually put her up with someone other people like.

Have MJ and Hawkeye date for awhile.

MJ and Wolverine.

MJ and Jessica Drew.

THAT would be interesting.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29329: Aug 2nd 2023 at 6:51:32 PM

Like when she migrated to the Iron Man book because Spider-Man wasn’t doing anything with her?

That’d be kind of cool. Just let her interact with different parts of the universe for a bit

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29330: Aug 2nd 2023 at 6:52:18 PM

The funny thing is...is that they actually thought Paul was likable. They literally said this in their notes. The disconnect between Marvel and the readers is real!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29331: Aug 2nd 2023 at 6:54:09 PM

To be sympathetic, no matter who Paul was he had a major climb to reach any kind of popularity or tolerance with an audience that is mad that the fan preferred couple keeps getting shafted

And then instead of carefully navigating around that, the book seems like it went out of its way to make those fans mad?

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 2nd 2023 at 9:54:38 AM

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29332: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:01:15 PM

Yep. I doubt any character could have been liked when their very purpose is to break up the couple that readers want. They even went so far as to make Peter into a stalker...but readers saw through that ploy...and just became even angrier that characters they liked were being thrown under bus. If you have to try that hard to build up a new character...you should really ask "is this character a good idea"?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#29333: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:02:30 PM

Paul also just looks like a stereotypical douchebag. The slicked-back hair, the shades, the goatee... he looks like a thin Steven Seagal!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29334: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:10:54 PM

Carlie Cooper went through the exact same thing.

When you're seen only as an obstacle, it's nigh impossible to get out of that hole.

One Strip! One Strip!
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29335: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:17:52 PM

They overcompensate whenever they try and get rid of Mary Jane and they have been doing it FOREVER.

  • Make Mary Jane a nag
  • Kill her in a plane crash
  • Make her the one who made a deal with the Devil

And so on.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29336: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:28:00 PM

Readers actually like Peter and MJ together. It would be so much easier on the editorial office...and us...if they'd just accept that fact. They've been doing this for decades...and the result is always intense backlash. Peter being single is just not important...in fact most of the worst stories in the book involve breaking Peter and MJ up.

Edited by knightstorm on Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:34:41 AM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29337: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:52:01 PM

I mean they had their chance for a single, swinging Spider-Man. Twice. They had two chances. Once with Ben Reilly, once with Miles Morales. Have Peter be the older, more experienced one with a happy home life, and his "younger brother(s)" with the dating issues.

But no, at this point I think it's just a matter of pure spite and stubbornness. They don't care what the fans want, they want to fans to not only accept their stupid idea, but love it. And the more the fans don't, the more insistent they are on pushing it.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#29338: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:55:31 PM

Exactly. This is why I don't expect any real change to happen as long as the current editorial is still in place. I truly believe they'd go their very graves fighting to continue this "young single loser Peter" staus quo if they could.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29339: Aug 2nd 2023 at 8:54:46 PM

Well no one wanted Ben Reilly to replace Peter any more than New Coke.

It's not that I don't like Ben but no, I don't want him to be the "Real" Peter Parker.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29340: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:01:33 AM

For Miles they really wanted to have their cake and eat it to.

Have a hip new, young and black Spider hero but he's NOT Peter's sidekick nor will he ever replace Pete like Wally with Barry in DC.

So Miles outside the movies and games doesn't have much to do.

Life Story showed exactly what the Miles and Peter relationship would be without the sliding timeline. Peter would be an old hero "one mission away from retirement" and Miles his young apprentice.

Because no matter how much Marvel wants to deny it. Peter is old he was a young adult in the 60s.

No amount of sliding timeline or deals with Satan will make people forget that Peter if aged normally is old enough to be Miles' grandpa

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:03:57 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29341: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:03:33 AM

Miles as Peter's sidekick would never have worked, but they could have definitely played up the mentor angle more than they do now.

As it stands, Miles is closer to Iron Man than he is to Peter.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29342: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:05:20 AM

It would as easily worked if marvel committed to taking Peter out of arrested development.

They won't so Iron Man picks up the slack being the protective mentor figure for Miles.

As the entire reason Miles is never allowed to be a sidekick is from Bendis' insistence.

Edited by FKJ10 on Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:06:16 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29343: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:06:20 AM

What a guy, that Iron Man

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29344: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:15:25 AM

[up][up]Marvel isn't a sidekick friendly place. The most famous example of one was dead for like fifty years before being revived as an assassin.

Spidey in particular is not a character that works with a sidekick. He points this out in every issue with Spider-Boy.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29345: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:17:04 AM

Stan Lee was famously against them

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#29346: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:20:30 AM

He thought they were 'child endangerment'

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29348: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:27:14 AM

Congratulations to Dan Slott

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29349: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:27:43 AM

Even then sidekick is just another euphemism for ward or apprentice in superhero comics.

Plus the entire X Men is child endagermemt......and low key grooming with the creepy stuff going on between Professor X and Jean Grey.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29350: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:36:42 AM

[up]That's also more true over on the DC side, with all of the major sidekicks being direct wards of the heroes they were partnered with, aside from Wally West.

With Marvel, not so much. Bucky was just some guy who joined the army, and the Human Torch's sidekick Toro was very much the same.


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