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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29276: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:05:31 AM

Plot twist, she's into that.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29277: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:07:36 AM

Here's the thing.

Paul's awfulness is actually unimportant to Spider-Man. This isn't about him. I'm interested in MARY JANE'S perspective on all this because this is so much suffering and trauma that she obviously had to become a superhero after this.

Her adopted children: murdered.

Trapped in an alternate universe for years.

Nice Pakistani American girl dies for you.

I'd be tend kinds of messed up over this.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29278: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:09:13 AM

Wait a minute, something just occurred to me about the MJ super hero business.

If Peter is scheduled to become a Goblin because of Norman's sins, does that mean she has to fight him at some point?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 29th 2023 at 10:09:20 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29279: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:34:17 AM

[up][up] Yeah but no one cares about those kids and Zeb couldn't be bothered to remember their names.

So my opinion of them is the same with the Norman-Stacy "kids"

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29280: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:39:24 AM

Plot twist, she's into that.

Like Padme in Star Wars

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29281: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:40:34 AM

Peter: I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#29282: Jul 29th 2023 at 1:58:56 PM

I just saw a Marvel Dark What-if about if Gwen lived and Peter died.

The ending caption hinted that this was going to be Marvel equivalent of the DC Dark Multiverse. Are there more "what if dark" stories out there?

EDIT: Nvm, found them Marvel What-if Dark stories.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 29th 2023 at 5:00:25 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29283: Jul 29th 2023 at 2:03:03 PM

It did end a lot better than most dark multiverse stories though.

Which isn't saying much. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29284: Jul 29th 2023 at 2:07:05 PM

I'd argue it ended up pretty well. Norman is dead (for now), Harry's inexplicably sober, Peter dying is bad but it's not really enough to make it a darkest timeline.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29285: Jul 29th 2023 at 2:08:48 PM

Yeah not a high bar to clear, especially since most dark multiverse stories end with the world doomed in some form.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29286: Jul 29th 2023 at 2:27:56 PM

Yeah, for a 'dark' story it wasn't that much different than a typical What If?, and even better in some cases.

Loki's on the other hand ended with the destruction of the universe, but even then it was restored at the end.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29288: Jul 29th 2023 at 11:34:38 PM

[up][up] Yeah, stuff like What if Norman had the Infinity Gauntlet or What if Spider-Man kept the black suit were darker than this.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29289: Jul 29th 2023 at 11:55:11 PM

I like that MJ ends the "What If" issue all beaming and smiling.grin

Marvel officially announce the new 40th anniversary Secret Wars mini-series, largely a team up between Peter and Johnny on Battleworld shortly after Peter first acquires the symbiote. Tom Defalco is the writer, Pat Ollife on art.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 30th 2023 at 2:39:41 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29290: Jul 30th 2023 at 3:30:12 AM

[up][up] Which one there are two What if Black Suits stayed on now?

What if Dark Reign just pushes one of my thoughts on Osborn. Marvel really wanna make him their version of the Joker rather than Luthor.

Think about it his version of torturing Spider-Man was oddly similar to Emperor Joker with Batman.

A constant death loop but it's Gwen dying and forcing Spidey to relive his greatest failure. Rather than Joker just killing Bats in various ways.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29291: Jul 30th 2023 at 5:18:19 AM

His Heroes Reborn counterpart was very explicitly Joker too, with Deadpool as his Harley Quinn.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29292: Jul 30th 2023 at 6:07:39 AM

[up][up] The original one. The one where Peter turns old, and Felicia is trapped in servitude to Fisk as payment.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29293: Jul 30th 2023 at 6:47:09 AM

Yeah that a tragic one but it showed how much Felicia loved Spider-Man.

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Disasturbator
#29294: Jul 30th 2023 at 6:49:29 AM

Its easier just to say 'The Kingpin' because my mind immediately went to the hero of Undertale evil grin

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29295: Jul 30th 2023 at 6:50:57 AM

Wilson Frisk does have a nice ring to it. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29296: Jul 30th 2023 at 10:57:24 AM

Yeah incidentally I not too long ago found out that there was a more recent Untold Tales of Spider-Man from a 2010s TASM Annual. Have not found a copy nearby myself.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29298: Jul 30th 2023 at 10:11:28 PM

Its Bernie Mac saying F them kids.

Aka my exact sentiments on Gwen's and MJ's "kids" in 616.

I swear Spider-Man editorial has to have some sick fetish for having not one but two of his main love interests cheat on him.

And only Gwen got retconned as Mephisto being a trolling dick.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29299: Jul 30th 2023 at 10:12:43 PM

Plot twist: Mephisto wants Peter all to himself.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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