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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29251: Jul 28th 2023 at 9:45:16 PM

Nightwing and Firestar?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29252: Jul 28th 2023 at 9:58:04 PM

What was Dick doing in the Marvel Universe (not changing my phrasing)?

What was Angelica doing in the DC Universe (and inside Dick! Hey yo!!!)?

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#29253: Jul 28th 2023 at 10:00:29 PM

[up][up] Starfire/Koriand'r, I assume they get the name wrong pretty often.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29254: Jul 29th 2023 at 3:20:19 AM

Dick and Babs have also gotten married twice in recent crisis events (Convergence and Dark Knights Metal) with neither remembering they did so

Edited by Zarius on Jul 29th 2023 at 3:20:30 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29255: Jul 29th 2023 at 3:22:34 AM

I think perhaps the sickest retcon, even worse than One More Day was when Mulitple Man and Siren hooked up and had a kid in Peter David's "X-Factor." Then right as their child was born, Multiple Man absorbed it.

"Oops, must have just been a duplicate of mine all along."

That's some insanity inducing shit.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29256: Jul 29th 2023 at 3:27:39 AM

"Sean's short life had terrible and lasting effect on his parents, both of whom fell into deep depressions after his death."

Poor Multiple Man and Siren :(

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#29257: Jul 29th 2023 at 3:43:33 AM

[up][up] I don't think that was a retcon, though, was it? That was PAD's shock twist all along.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29258: Jul 29th 2023 at 3:46:21 AM

True.

Instead, what I meant was Status Quo Is God. There have been many traumatizing, horrifying, and downright mean methods of breaking up couples as well as getting rid of unwanted children in the franchise.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 29th 2023 at 3:46:41 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#29259: Jul 29th 2023 at 3:50:49 AM

[up] Agreed. And I think solo heroes like Peter, who are the face of a franchise, get hit by that especially hard.

Members of teams get more flexibility, especially second-stringers like Tigra, where Marvel are more willing to shake things up and see if they hit a formula that builds the character's following.

When a character is already successful, they get risk-averse.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29260: Jul 29th 2023 at 3:58:05 AM

Honestly, it's both companies as poor Lian Harper can attest — especially when almost everyone who gave a shit about Arsenal/Speedy loved her.

I fear for Baby Cage-Jones.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#29261: Jul 29th 2023 at 4:09:12 AM

[up] I figure she's safe. Luke and Jessica are both kinda in the B-list sweet spot - popular enough to be unlikely to be cheap fodder, and to be resurrected if they do get killed, while not so popular that they're not allowed to change and grow. Add to that, them being married with a kid has been their status quo for a long time now. Most of Jessica's existence, really. She's spent more time as a mother than not.

And Dani is pretty popular in her own right, both as a toddler and her future Captain America self.

I can't see anyone at Marvel really wanting to change those things. Luke and Jessica are both able to have their own stories, and they can have stories together. Jessica gets to do her private detective stuff, Luke gets to do his hero of the people stuff, and both get to do parent stuff. There's options available for anyone who wants to write them.

So, yeah, I don't see much chance of something happening to Dani Cage.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29262: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:09:50 AM

Weird question, but has Spider-Man ever fought Red Skull in the comics?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#29263: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:14:14 AM

[up] A few times. Amazing Spider-Man annual #5 established that Peter's parents' deaths were due to one of the Skull's schemes. I think some 1990s comics revisited that idea.

All of which reminds me... isn't it odd that so few Spider-Verse variants of Peter are raised by his parents, not May and Ben? It feels like one of the obvious variations...?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29264: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:17:58 AM

I guess so many writers keep forgetting they are spies.

But yeah, I randomly remembered Red Skull was the guy who murdered Spider-Man's parents, so I wondered if they ever fought.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29265: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:24:16 AM

The Parkers being spies gets forgotten because it takes away from their "everyman" quality, I suppose.

Sort of like why Miles' dad isn't a SHIELD agent.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29266: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:25:02 AM

Oh they care about THAT but not about the fact that the web of destiny bullshit makes Peter Parker the chosen one and a universal constant? [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29267: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:29:02 AM

Are the Parkers being spies forgotten?

It was the main plot point of the Marc Webb movies for some reason, that's a pretty big thing.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#29268: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:31:17 AM

[up] It's mentioned in the PS4 game, when you find the backpack containing a locket with their photos in it.

Edited by TrashJack on Jul 29th 2023 at 8:31:32 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29269: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:31:23 AM

I thought they were scientists in the Garfield-verse.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29270: Jul 29th 2023 at 5:32:02 AM

I think being scientists were their cover.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#29271: Jul 29th 2023 at 6:01:36 AM

On a different topic, is anyone reading the Edge of Venomverse Unlimited Infinity Comic?

I'm pretty meh about it, especially as it replaced the cancelled Spider-Verse series, which I was mostly enjoying,

Whereas Spider-Verse was mostly standalone stories featuring the various spiders, Venomverse seems very focused on short prologues for the upcoming Bat Family Crossover.

Meet a new Venom! Will they be recruited, or will they be killed by a Carnage? And next issue we repeat that scenario with a new Venom and a new world...

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2023 at 2:01:58 PM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29272: Jul 29th 2023 at 6:44:29 AM

Yeah never liked the Parker's were Shield agents plotline. Was kinda okay with them being genius scientists in TASM but that film leaned heavy into the sci-fi.

Same with Miles' dad the shield agent. Keep in a cop onto becoming a police captain. Uncle Aron makes a good Prowler.

Shame it takes the spotlight from Hobbie.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29273: Jul 29th 2023 at 6:51:45 AM

Spoilers for the ASM annual made their way over to forums

Paul and MJ are still together, they throw a party for Aunt Anna. Paul and MJ are living with Anna now. As demonstrated in the preview, Anna is affected by the Krakoa drugs and attacks MJ, MJ fends her off with the aid of sleeping pills, Peter comes back in time and helps, so does Paul. Anna is sent to Ravencroft. There is a tease that Paul is against mutants as he blames them for Anna's condition.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29274: Jul 29th 2023 at 6:55:40 AM

Not cool Paul.

I see now the comic is getting ready to abandon him.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29275: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:03:11 AM

So Paul is guilty of genocide and is racist against mutants....wow MJ really knows how to pick em


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