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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29201: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:04:42 AM

[up][up][up] Funnily enough, Gwen and the story seems to blame Spider-Man for George dying rather than Doctor Octopus.

It might have something to do with the fact Doc Ock lost control of his tentacles because of Spider-Man and that lead to Stacy dying, which is kind of fucked really.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 28th 2023 at 2:04:56 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29202: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:05:41 AM

Hypothetically, Carlie had redeeming qualities

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29203: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:08:13 AM

Growing up, it was usually Norman who takes center stage as THE Spider-Man villain, and he's already a perfect foil and evil counterpart to Spider-Man.

Growing up for me, it was the Kingpin.

:)

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29204: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:08:39 AM

Shame that Daredevil got him in the divorce

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29205: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:09:27 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/otto_nemesis.png

Okay, this is hilarious, Doc Ock would be super pissed to hear how he's still second fiddle to Norman for Peter.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 28th 2023 at 2:09:41 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29206: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:12:13 AM

I admit, it's weird but it's why I was okay with the Superior Spider-Man. After all of the Norman shilling, it felt like Doctor Octopus was getting a chance to show why he was the undisputed Superior Spider-Man villain.

Shame that Daredevil got him in the divorce

If rumors are true about Spidey 4 Spider-Man and him are starting dating again.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 27th 2023 at 11:12:59 AM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29207: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:12:45 AM

I mean, Ock admitted to that himself. That was the crux of Superior, even if he doesn't remember that.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29208: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:13:52 AM

I hope those crazy kids can make it work

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29209: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:20:23 AM

Well @Charles like this is my honest experience since I don't really hate Kingpin at all, but in most of the stuff he's been in for me growing up, he's just overshadowed or a wannabe.

Like Back in black, he gets humiliated by a pissed off Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, he feels like a filler villain keeping the bench warm for Norman, the Spider-Man game I played had Green Goblin play Eviler than Thou to him, the PS 4 Spidey game, he's defeated in the tutorial and is overshadowed by Doc Ock and Mr.Negative.

Even in Superior, he loses to Doc Ock who in turn gets destroyed by Green Goblin.

Like I said, there's a lot of stuff that cements the Green Goblin as the greatest Spider-Man villain and more fun to watch. Kingpin and Doc Ock just feel boring compared to him to me personally.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 28th 2023 at 2:22:28 AM

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#29210: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:35:34 AM

@Bocaj last page: honestly, in terms of exposure, pop culture, and number of storylines, the fourth biggest Spiderman enemy is probably Carnage. At this point, I think he has knocked Fisk down to slot #5 in terms of importance to the Spiderman mythos.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29211: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:40:05 AM

One reason I forgive much about Spencer's Spider-Man (aside from Superior Foes references, Sins Past retcon, and the humor) is the DARK REIGN kingpin does Fisk well. While I never buy him kneeling to Kindred, I liked that he outright won as well as became Mayor of New York for awhile.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#29212: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:46:13 AM

No list of top Spidey villains is complete without J. Jonah Jameson.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29213: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:49:43 AM

And much like Norman, Otto, and Eddie, JJJ has turned to the side of good.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29214: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:31:06 PM

Amazing Spider-Man Annual preview

Mary Jane and Aunt Anna appear...no Paul, and Anna is affected by the Krakoan kill switch, having been using the drugs lately

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29215: Jul 27th 2023 at 11:52:33 PM

Can I have some context on the Krakoa bit please?

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29216: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:12:35 AM

[up] In this week's Hellfire Gala issue Orchis revealed they had laced the supply of Krakoan drugs with a kill switch code which causes whoever takes them to try and kill their fellow humans. Mary Jane had been the brand ambassador for the drugs and had given them to Anna to help her combat her dementia

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29217: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:13:27 AM

@Redhunter 53 that bit with Doc Ock being the semi arch nemesis was Peter still thinking Norman banged Gwen Stacy instead of Mysterio in a whig.

I think after having a private laugh Otto is back on top a arch nemesis.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29218: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:15:45 AM

That’s because Norman became something worse than Peter’s arch enemy, his boss.

[up][up]Ah. Big fuck up there MJ.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#29219: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:30:33 AM

The latest Venom issue showed that Toxin is still bonded to Bren. The current Cult of Carnage run showed that Toxin was part of Alchemax's containment alongside the Life Foundation symbiotes, and not only did it not explain him being there the latest issue now has him bonded to some rando Life Foundation goon.

Lame.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29220: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:37:20 AM

[up][up] Yeah still screw that plotline.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29221: Jul 28th 2023 at 3:09:35 AM

Honestly, Norman Osborn suffering guilt because of a magic sin eating shotgun is stupid AF, but in the Wells run where Spidey goes through some bullshit, Gobby is the most compelling character in the run.

It kind of helps I don’t really see 616 Spidey as real after OMD.

I hate that Gold Goblin is as good as it is, because I am starved for decent Spider-content in the comics.

I might reread Spider-Girl.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 28th 2023 at 6:10:19 PM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29222: Jul 28th 2023 at 4:03:11 AM

Reminder Post OMD Peter and MJ brainwashed themselves into never being able to marry each other and have kids (sorry Mayday) or remember the deal they made.

All to keep Aunt May alive (against her wishes mind you) to clear Peter's guilty conscience.

Yeah screw Quesada for ruining JMS' otherwise good run with Sins Past and OMD.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29223: Jul 28th 2023 at 4:05:27 AM

I had no interest in Spider-Man after OMD until Spencer's Run. There, he mitigated as much damage as possible and had Mary Jane and Peter reconcile. He also had Doctor Strange figure SOMETHING was wrong with Peter.

I'm still hoping for a retcon that Mephisto "broke the rules" and brainwashed Peter and MJ into accepting the deal.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#29224: Jul 28th 2023 at 4:15:25 AM

I just pretend Renew Your Vows Peter is the canon Peter.

Much better than hoping 616 Peter cleans up his act, because it's been over a decade and OMD is never going to be reversed.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29225: Jul 28th 2023 at 5:03:35 AM

I love Spencer's run so a big part of me who has resisted OMD/BND/Slott era being canon kind of begrudingly accepts that they happened, but only if you treat it as the Grand Finale of 616 Spider-Man and refuse to count anything past that point.

I don't have a 'real' canon for Spidey, I love newspaper, Renew Your Vows, and Spider-Girl all equally as positive status quos for Peter and MJ


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