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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29126: Jul 25th 2023 at 11:25:48 PM

I was talking about the slurs used in Ultimate Spider-Man.

A lot of them are used.

Also remember that Wolverine tried to get sex from MJ while in Peter’s body.

And how it was played for humor.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 26th 2023 at 2:28:11 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29127: Jul 25th 2023 at 11:37:25 PM

Yeah I've read the bulk of Garth Ennis' and Mark Millar's work until a slur is pretty much a bandaid on a scrapped knee compared to those gaping flesh wounds.

Plus already mentioned the Wolverine and Peter body swap story.

Hell Steve Ditko's later objectivist work is more controversial with how Mr. A would straight up ice people in brutal ways.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#29128: Jul 25th 2023 at 11:42:42 PM

Saying "other comics are worse" doesn't make throwing around slurs not bad, you know...

Edited by Perseus on Jul 26th 2023 at 4:42:51 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29129: Jul 25th 2023 at 11:50:51 PM

Pretty much.

Like jeez, some of the stuff said in Ultimate Spider-Man really is awful and pointing out how this hasn't aged well because back then they were seen as milder curses is still valid.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29130: Jul 25th 2023 at 11:51:25 PM

These comics came out in the same era and I'm judging it as such plus I made mention my tolerance for controversial subjects is high.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#29131: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:02:57 AM

Thinking of Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate Invasion #2 is out today and...

No Spider-content. Despite Miles being heavily featured in solicitations and briefly appearing in the first issue, he's not in this one. And the new Earth-6160 setting has been tampered with by the Maker to ensure the spider never bit Peter, as seen at the end of #1, when the Maker intercepted it. Technically, I guess Cindy might still be out there as Silk, if she was bitten first - but there's no indication of that and I doubt Hickman's going in that direction.

Although it increasingly looks like this is a temporary state before the real new Ultimate Universe gets introduced, complete with the usual suspects.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 26th 2023 at 8:03:24 PM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29132: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:13:03 AM

Listen unless Cindy has been retconned to exist in the Ultimate Universe I wouldn't hold my breath for an 1610!Silk

Frankly I'm more interested in what's happening in the current Silk series.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29133: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:26:26 AM

Marvel Team Up is what I picked up now and yes, it turns out that Ms. Marvel canonically met Spider-Man TWICE.

And the second time was when she swapped bodies with him.

Which...all sorts of uncomfortable there.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29134: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:31:03 AM

Are we just gonna retire the Freaky Friday trope now or something.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#29135: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:31:45 AM

[up][up][up]It's explicitly not 1610, though, which is key to the series.

Silk #3 was fun - Cindy, Wong and Albert all get some good moments, and the bad guys' plot is revealed. Ending with Saya Ishii allowing a demon to possess her, as the original plan to let it drain power from Cindy and manifest its own body failed. I'm hoping that's temporary - I like Saya as a villain and I'll be disappointed if she gets killed off or left in a monster form at the end of this.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 26th 2023 at 8:32:07 PM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29136: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:37:04 AM

Well whatever they wanna designate this new Ultimate Universe frankly I just find it as Marvel making its own multiverse way more complicated then it has to be...again.

Just say the old Ultimate Universe was brought back and has the same number designation boom done. No more of this self indulgence that gives new readers unnecessary homework.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#29137: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:15:01 AM

Kamala mentioned in ASM today

Mostly Norman mourning her, talks a bit about she used to get him coffee and joked about it, he remembers the joke and always used it whenever he ordered coffee from that moment onwards. Said he liked her and that she liked him. Good thing Sins Past isn't canon but that still reads creepy

And her status in Hellfire Gala

She doesn't remember dying, so I presume she's forgotten Peter's identity too. She worries about her parents but Emma says she'll alter their memories of the past few days and they'll think she never died

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#29139: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:29:49 AM

[up][up][up] Problem is, by the end the old Ultimate universe was pretty tangled. Peter was dead, some of the Ultimates were dead, iirc New York was flooded. Xorn and the Maker devastated large chunks of the world...

If you pick up after that or rewind it a bit (I think one reset/reboot did try to?) you still pick up a lot of complexity.

(And, as mentioned, there was stuff in there that was problematic at the time and has aged increasingly badly)

I can see why a blank slate and a new world appeals.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 26th 2023 at 12:30:05 PM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29140: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:36:37 AM

pete came back from the dead

Honestly I think you could do a pretty compelling USM comic set post secret wars with Peter back as Spider-man if you just... ignore the rest of the ultimate marvel universe

But the problem is that most of USM's villains and supporting cast actually kind of suck IMO

Bendis turned too many of them into jokes or just gave them absolutely nothing. I can't think of many characters that I'd be excited to see more of, beyond Peter's closest friends and Peter himself.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29141: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:37:51 AM

Seriously if we're gonna talk "problematic" then damn near all of Jim Shooters work on Marvel should be scrubbed clean and 616 needs a fresh reboot.

But we're not gonna do that because it's absurd. Just accept that it happened, it's a piece of early 2000s culture and move on with the Ultimate Universe.

That universe was intended as a blank slate to get rid of the crazy continuity problems yet we're going through an extra long convoluted explanation with Ultimate Reed to explain why it's coming back.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29142: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:38:50 AM

But we have been doing that. Spencer went out of his way to retcon a Spidey event nobody even mentioned in a decade.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#29143: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:46:23 AM

[up][up] I think it's trying to be a cool story in its own right, using one of Hickman's favourite villains, not just an explanation.

Let's see where it ends up.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29144: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:46:25 AM

At the end of the day I'm keeping the joke that Norman fucked Mysterio in a blond wig.

It was the only good thing to come out of the botched Kindred saga.

And that was Quesada not Shooter.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29145: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:54:39 AM

About Gwen, I have no problem with her being a lost love of Peter. It’s good that Peter did have someone he deeply loved but was able to move on and find someone else after her untimely death.

Of course that would all be swell and dandy if Marvel would just let her be. If Marvel really wants to bring her back then fuck it fine, it can’t be any worse than the plenty of terrible decisions they keep making. What’s one more bad move born out of their inability to let things be?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29146: Jul 26th 2023 at 5:07:44 AM

We can't go anywhere lower than Paul.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29147: Jul 26th 2023 at 5:25:28 AM

Considering it's the 50th anniversary of her death around right now, it really does make me wonder when they are gonna stop desecrating this poor woman's grave.

Sure, Peter and MJ will occasionally remember her and mourn her, she was a dear friend to both and Peter's girlfriend, but most attempts to squeeze more story from her don't come off well for anyone. Not Peter, not Gwen, not Marvel.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29148: Jul 26th 2023 at 5:42:25 AM

In my ideal world Gwen's send-off would have been Spider-Man Blue

While Sins Past and OMD for that matter would have never existed.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29149: Jul 26th 2023 at 6:53:41 AM

Hey guys, I just got off Disney Land Hong Kong, and....Oh.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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