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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29101: Jul 25th 2023 at 4:59:51 PM

Also, Miles's current girlfriend is also a superhero, she's just a Miles character first so she doesn't get her own book or anything.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29102: Jul 25th 2023 at 5:00:36 PM

Stevetain America's new run could have been so good if it hadn't been for the larger even-more-secret-conspiracy-to-outconspiracy-all-other-conspiracies plot.

I get what its going for but it came at the expense of the lower key stuff.

As for Miles, I'm not keeping up with his books and don't have a preference for who he date. As for Peter, I'm not keeping up with his books because I have a preference for who he date

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 25th 2023 at 8:01:32 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29103: Jul 25th 2023 at 5:14:58 PM

We're not really lacking for them? Sue/Reed. Luke/Jessica. Tony was just dating Patsy and now he's getting married to Emma. Carol is dating Rhodey and Jessica. And so on.

The dating "and Jessica" is I assume to be a joke but a welcome one. :)

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2023 at 5:15:08 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29104: Jul 25th 2023 at 5:18:56 PM

I though Carol broke up with Rhodey cause of dumb time reasons

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#29105: Jul 25th 2023 at 5:22:01 PM

[up] They got back together because Carol's dumb time reasons were dumb.

[up][up] It's like half a joke.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29106: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:26:16 PM

Honestly I was and still am ambivalent on Miles x Gwen.

As Marvel really can't decide whether Spider-Gwem is her own character as they keep dressing up 616!Gwen in her costume.

This latest what if dark just exasperated the problem.

As to this day 616!Gwen has just been used as two things

1. An agnst device for Peter

2. His "true love" who he can never get back or get over to this day.

Now the Spiderverse movies avert this issue as Peter there has long since moved on and by the second movie has a happy family with MJ.

Heck they can't decide if 616!Gwen died hating him or not now.

Slott flipped flopped between Superior Spider-Man having Gwen welcome Peter into heaven with open loving arms

To Clone Conspiracy her last thoughts cursing his name

To now Wells in Judgment Day back to loving and even accepting him trying to reform her killer (Seriously screw that)

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29107: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:33:42 PM

I would 100% love to have 616 Gwen Stacy alive and as 616's Spider-Gwen.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29108: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:46:01 PM

For all of the clone conspiracy's faults, I really did like that they made a point out of declaring that 65!Gwen and 616!Gwen aren't the same person, and using one as a replacement for the other is a crazy thing to do.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29109: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:05:21 PM

Well yeah because they took the time to show how drastically different the two are.

And honestly yeah at this point just revive 616!Gwen.

The current writers keep going on about how she's Spidey's true love and how he'll never be truly happy without her.

So just revive her (and kill Norman off for another 20 years minimum)

Write her as well as Mark Webb did in TASM movies which gave her new popularity and let Peter be happy for a change.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29110: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:14:39 PM

You can update her with Gwen's Inner Life we never knew.

"Yeah, I used to be a Voice Actress when I wasn't at school and was on Marvel's version of Critical Role."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29111: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:14:56 PM

She'd just be seen as another obstacle to Peter and MJ.

Gwen's been gone too long, and I don't think she'd work as a love interest anymore.

Especially since Marvel seems to be against Peter having a Love Interest in the first place, so she'd just end up spinning her wheels.

One Strip! One Strip!
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29112: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:16:24 PM

They'll keep spinning their wheels until the current leadership moves on or Spider-Man's sales crater beyond the point of salvation.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29113: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:16:36 PM

That's only if you bring her back as a Love Interest.

I liked the Gwen Stacy, Girl Detective comics.

There's plenty of other things to do with Gwen. Make her Peter's best friend, a Shipper on Deck, or other vital member of the cast.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29114: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:19:49 PM

They actually considered reviving Gwen after OMD but didn’t go with it.

Clone conspiracy revived her if you buy the Jackal’s claims, but then she dies again.

Honestly, I’m in the camp that she was boring after Ditko left and MJ was always more interesting.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2023 at 11:20:13 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29115: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:25:12 PM

The on-the-nose irony about the various Clone Sagas having a moral about the problems with not being able to move on, and Marvel continually trying to bring back Gwen and pull all of their characters backwards for various reasons will never not be hilarious to me.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29116: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:31:57 PM

Yeah, Gerry Conway even noted it.

Doesn't help that Miles Warren as a creepy older man is the stand in for toxic fans/editorial who wanted to bring Gwen back keeps staying relevant as a metaphor.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29117: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:35:37 PM

Which seems very insulting TBH.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29118: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:39:30 PM

Fair enough, but I think bringing him back constantly makes it worse.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29119: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:55:30 PM

Frankly Marvel doesn't have a leg to stand on about Spider-Man and "moving on" as they've admitted multiple times they will keep Peter as 20s, single and perpetually miserable for "relatability"

True moving on as I said before is Spiderverse Peter as he's seen it all, done it all and now trying to he a good dad.

So until Marvel editorial get over themselves on making Peter relatable constantly reviving his dead villains and reversing his love life back to zero I will still say this.

Revive Gwen Stacy or stop brining her up every new run to make Peter depressed.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29120: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:57:20 PM

Now they bring up Gwen Stacy to make Norman depressed.

Though it was Gerry Conway as a writer who made that theme of moving on in the Clone Saga, and it's Marvel as a company that can't move on which is delicious irony. Heck, Gerry Conway worked on Renew your vows for a good number of issues.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29121: Jul 25th 2023 at 9:10:43 PM

Well yeah Conway callously killed her off to make MJ the primary love interest

So of course he'd come back to write a series all about them being a happy Spider family.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29122: Jul 25th 2023 at 9:16:28 PM

I mean, the point is, Gerry Conway still wrote a series about Peter being a dad and having a daughter with MJ and that's moving on. Shipping wars aside.

Contrast that to Zeb Wells Spidey, and...EVERYTHING in the run.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29123: Jul 25th 2023 at 9:18:57 PM

I should inform ya'll I read Maximum Carnage and the Clone Saga when they first came out.

Reading it may be the worst run ever.

You guys warned me.

But I didn't listen.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29124: Jul 25th 2023 at 9:23:21 PM

Growing up in the late 2000s and all of the 10s, I tended to just read the classics in addition to some of the new stuff. I REALLY did not like the Brand New Day era.

But my jam was still Ultimate Spider-Man by Bendis. Yeah it hasn't aged well in some regards, but it's a pretty definitive Spider-Man series for me.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 26th 2023 at 12:23:39 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29125: Jul 25th 2023 at 11:20:34 PM

Whenever I hear "hasn't aged well" I think of explicit gore, sex or blatant WWII comic era racism.

Only to be disappointed it's something banal like the Wolverine and Peter body swap story. Yeah it was creepy but compared to the rest of the Ultimate Univsrse it's mild.

Plus it got adapted into the Ultimate TV show.

Or Deadpool being a mutant hating racist.

Either my tolerance for controversy is high or the bar for what is acceptable drastically went up after the early 2000s to 2010s.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 25th 2023 at 11:24:03 AM


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