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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29026: Jul 24th 2023 at 11:55:45 PM

Helps JJ is usually written as a genuinely good guy and friend to Peter. Really thank the Raimi movies with scenes like him not giving away Peter's identity as the photo guy to Goblin. For this nice guy Jameson interpretation.

Second wonder how this What if Dark? Gwen Stacy will deal with her creepy Professor Miles Warren.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29027: Jul 24th 2023 at 11:57:40 PM

If nothing else, I think we can all agree the inevitable Spider-Gwen beats up Norman Osborn will be amazing to see.

Plus we don't have a Sins Past elephant in the room. [lol] Warren seems like a theoretical baddie down the line. Or he could somehow be responsible for Spider-Gwen in this universe.

As for Jameson, it helps that he's one of the few consistent supporting cast members with character development that stuck.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2023 at 2:59:58 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29028: Jul 25th 2023 at 12:40:22 AM

Sins Past has been retconned so we can now safely think of it as akin to the Whizzer being Wanda and Pietro's dad.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29029: Jul 25th 2023 at 12:45:37 AM

This mostly boils down to the two writers not having to bring up that Gwen would have kids here. It was all Mysterio hypnotizing Norman.

[up] Also Charles, I was digging up some of my old stuff, and I found my old DS copy of Spider-Man battle for New York.

Like not to be mean or anything, but there's a Kingpin boss fight, but you're playing as Gobby in this one.

It's actually pretty cool.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29030: Jul 25th 2023 at 1:05:44 AM

It's funny when Spider-Gwen first appeared there was all this art of a heart broken Gwen and Peter lamenting their lost loves and trying to carry on

TASM movies were still fresh in people's minds and 65!Gwen wasn't that established beyond Punk Rocker from the original Spiderverse crossover.

Now we literally have this story in comic book form.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29031: Jul 25th 2023 at 1:38:59 AM

Yesterday, I described the new Boys spin off as:

"It seems to be the X-men except with a high body count and a lot more sex. Beat So Claremont's X-men."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29032: Jul 25th 2023 at 2:58:03 AM

I don't think the Boys had a parody of Spider-Man.

Edit: Looked him up he was a throwaway line character caller Web-Weaver

So Garth Ennis parody name became used for an actual character.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 25th 2023 at 3:00:17 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29034: Jul 25th 2023 at 3:01:59 AM

Thank the speculators for artificially inflating sales and keeping these directions going

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29035: Jul 25th 2023 at 3:15:14 AM

I’m sorry, what’s a speculator?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#29036: Jul 25th 2023 at 3:19:13 AM

I think it's peeps that buy volume 1s of a run in the case it becomes a big thing so you can later sell it for a big price? (<-has no actual clue)

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#29037: Jul 25th 2023 at 3:31:25 AM

I think Dave Sim's Spider-Man parody in Cerebus left The Boys with nowhere to go.

How do you top Dandy Don's in-universe comic "The Wanker", and its teen hero's sticky web-shooter extrusions?

I suspect Ennis wished he'd thought of that first.

(Plus the fact that Cerebus is entirely unaware of that slang and sincerely enjoying the hero's superhero adventures until his friend Bear, who does know the regional slang, sees an issue and absolutely corpses. I can't remember if the comic company knew it)

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 25th 2023 at 11:31:56 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29038: Jul 25th 2023 at 5:38:49 AM

Ennis has always been pretty kind to Spidey overall. He wrote a few issues for Tangled Web and they weren't bad.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#29039: Jul 25th 2023 at 5:49:25 AM

Yeah. Like superman. This is one of the few superpowered heroes he doesn't have a Burning hatred of by all indication.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29040: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:06:03 AM

Yeah though Ennis did write that one comic where Punisher took on Spidey, Wolverine, Daredevil and Captain America IIRC.

Like they all teamed up to arrest him, and he just pointed out he could kill every inmate in prison.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#29041: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:38:48 AM

The two Spider-Man examples in Ennis's classic Punisher runs aren't terribly nice about him.

"Confederacy of Dunces" had him as the middle of the three heroes - not as horribly parodied and abused as Wolverine, but also getting far less respect (and causing Frank less trouble) than Daredevil. And then Hulk smashes them.

In "Does Whatever a Spider Can", Peter's effortlessly flattened by the newly rebuilt Russian, and then his unconscious body is used as a human shield by Frank. Cue some sort of "thanks for the team-up" quip from Frank at the end.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 25th 2023 at 2:39:32 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29042: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:53:54 AM

Pretty ironic, considering Punisher originated as a Spider-Man villain and Peter whooped his ass IIRC.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29043: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:58:32 AM

For fun in response have Spider-Man beat up a cartoonist caricature of an Ennis character like Billy Butcher.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#29044: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:00:19 AM

Thank the speculators for artificially inflating sales and keeping these directions going

And we can thank Marvel themselves for (allegedly) mooching off of the concept of second printings just so they can insist that a particularly bad ASM run is considered a best-seller even though people have noted that said run is shelf-warming in local comic shops.

Real talk, second printings are code for "this particular issue was so in demand, we had to print it a second time," right? (Just to make sure.)

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#29045: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:02:33 AM

[up][up]Jokes aside. Isn't Billy just Punisher In all but name.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29046: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:14:11 AM

Pretty much yeah, though with a more cheerful surface to Frank's frowny face

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"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29047: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:37:35 AM

Garth Ennis also wrote Punisher killing Spider-Man in the original Punisher kills the Marvel Universe.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29048: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:41:44 AM

Yeah but he kills everyone there. Including himself.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
ThunderboltZekesAlt Bringer of Chaos from Theosoir, Tantal Since: Nov, 2022
Bringer of Chaos
#29049: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:48:05 AM

That's only because Ennis is a contrived-addicted moron.

Frank in his true state is a Normal Fish in a Tiny Pond that's good against non- or low-powered criminals and utterly useless for anything above his paygrade. What If the Punisher had Killed Spider-Man? shows he loses to even the lowest-powered hero when the author isn't biased in Frank's favor.

Edited by ThunderboltZekesAlt on Jul 25th 2023 at 10:49:35 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29050: Jul 25th 2023 at 7:55:01 AM

Frank killing himself is consistent with Garth's portrayal of him and Butcher for that matter.

A naturally violent man that when the source of their anger is gone they'll burn themselves out and engulf everyone close in the process.

So suicide after killing all the supes makes sense. Just like in the max series it's established that Frank won't be satisfied until he dies.

Very far away from Conway's initial interpretation of the villain turned anti hero. But Garth's portrayl is the best.


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