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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

LadyBlackwood The show must go on from Wouldn't you like to know? Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The show must go on
#29001: Jul 24th 2023 at 3:35:17 PM

Tom Holland's Peter couldn't escape the canon events. I'm joking, I don't think Spider-Verse lore influences the MCU but it's funny that the Spider-Man fans who disliked or outright hated MCU Spidey for being too different were called out by ATSV.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29002: Jul 24th 2023 at 3:38:53 PM

Granted there are perfectly valid reasons for disliking the whole Iron Boy Jr. status of the MCU beyond it being "different'.

Its just NWH removed those aspects in the most fucked up manor possible. I would have preferred just ignoring the Iron Man stuff and let Peter stand on his own without doing a mindwipe.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2023 at 3:39:29 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29003: Jul 24th 2023 at 3:39:48 PM

I don't have to like it but I absolutely hate that they're choosing to ignore it.

I have a hundred different versions of Spider-Man in my brain, a different one doesn't hurt the other ones.

Besides, Tony is DEAD, it's not like Peter can go to him for a loan now.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 24th 2023 at 3:40:10 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29004: Jul 24th 2023 at 3:41:47 PM

There's something ironic about Peter starting off as Spider-Man at a much younger age than his heroic contemporaries, while also preceding them chronologically, but being continually adapted as coming way after them or in their shadows.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29005: Jul 24th 2023 at 3:45:11 PM

Like two years ago, we got an event which showed the world we'd have if the Avengers never existed, and somehow this affected people who showed up before them like Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29006: Jul 24th 2023 at 8:22:14 PM

Really @Handsome Rob this is more of a dark retelling of "What if Peter saved Gwen Stacy?"

Where Peter did catapult himself down save Gwen and use himself as a cushion so both could survive the fall.

Only bad thing that happened there was Peter's identity got leaked and he went on the run.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#29007: Jul 24th 2023 at 8:45:46 PM

[up] IIRC in that What If Aunt May got a heart attack too cause everything was revealed at Peter and Gwen's wedding.

I'm kinda sad that universe was never followed up on again; it had some really good character moments and the ending begs for a continuation.

Here's some short recaps, and we have one too.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 24th 2023 at 11:46:12 AM

The Protomen enhanced my life.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29008: Jul 24th 2023 at 8:49:01 PM

Not a heart attack she just fainted from shock.

Frankly that is just in a slightly better place than Daredevil in Born Again

As he got his identity revealed, apartment blown up, attorney license revoked and Karen Page addicted to drugs and now a prostitute.

So Matt has a full on nervous breakdown there.

It would have been fun seeing that Peter and Matt bond while trying to recover their lives.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29009: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:05:57 PM

I'm very curious as to what Gwen does in this timeline now.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29010: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:10:02 PM

Judging from the Spider-Gwen picture in the cover page, she's going to become a Spider hero herself somehow, probably to avenge Peter.

Now, how she's going to do that is a mystery. Gwen has no idea how Peter even got his powers.

One Strip! One Strip!
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#29011: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:18:50 PM

As a native of the Marvel universe, chances are if she lives long enough she'll encounter some kind of situation that gives her powers, or kills her, or does both.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29012: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:21:16 PM

Yeah the mystery of how she's going to become Ghost Spider in this universe is what I'm interested in.

And if she goes off the deep end since this is a What if Dark?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29013: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:29:23 PM

Given she's a science major like Peter and an easy stretch to her intellect being genius.

She'll either

A) Replicate Peter's Powers by using his DNA

B) Make a supersuit that artificially replicate Peter's powers like she did in the Ultimate Spider-Man tv show.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29014: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:39:58 PM

My personal guess is that she tries some mad science experiments with spiders and that's how she gets her powers.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29015: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:47:51 PM

Well this what if proved one thing

Punisher!Peter is still best Spider-Man saved Gwen, killed Osborn and retired in peace.

GOAT.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29016: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:48:36 PM

Starting to think you might like Punisher Spidey. tongue

Though you do forget that the story ends with Harry swearing revenge on Punisher Spidey, so not exactly out of the woods there for Peter, and regular Punisher is showing up.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2023 at 12:49:14 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#29017: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:49:41 PM

I appreciate the fact that a comic averts the usual arguments by saying, "Yes, straight up murdering Norman Osborn would make the world better."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29018: Jul 24th 2023 at 9:50:48 PM

I do find it funny how in the what if where Spider-Man kills Fisk, that version goes to jail.

Granted, by super hero logic, Norman does have a decent shot at coming back to life in the Punisher Spidey verse considering the Goblin formula and how that story is slavishly devoted to repeating story beats despite logic, assuming it ever gets a sequel.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2023 at 12:53:37 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29019: Jul 24th 2023 at 10:01:12 PM

Nah it ends with a half dead Frank stumbling upon Peter's Skull costume and guns.

So if anything Harry's gonna assume Frank is just the Punishing Spider without the mask on now.

As Peter pretty much abandoned the mask and skipped town with Gwen.

And yes until Zeb and writes Peter as something other than a pathetic manchild who can't fight his way out of a paper bag Punisher!Peter is the Goat.

[up] Eh Norman comes back Peter will just kill him again though wondering how the Goblin formula will save him from exploding round literally blowing up his chest, drowning in the water for several hours before the authorities salvaged his corpse.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 24th 2023 at 10:04:09 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#29020: Jul 24th 2023 at 10:02:00 PM

It's why Peter is a bad person to use for the "murdering your enemies is good" argument. Norman came back from being impaled through the gut. There's no reason he wouldn't come back from being shot or whatever these AU stories put him through.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29021: Jul 24th 2023 at 10:03:24 PM

[up][up] Renew your vows and MC 2 Spidey is GOAT for me.

[up] Personally, I like heroes like Red Hood Jason Todd, but Punisher Spidey just feels mean spirited to regular Spidey.

I'd probably like it a bit better if they had a better divergence point for Spidey other than getting a darker costume awakened Peter's murder impulses somehow.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2023 at 1:04:43 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29022: Jul 24th 2023 at 10:05:52 PM

I fail to see how Punisher!Spider-Man literally let the sinister 6 live until they kidnapped Aunt May and Betty Brant. The only two he immediately went for the kill were Goblin and Fisk.

Aka the two worst and most influential criminals in NY.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 24th 2023 at 10:06:19 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29023: Jul 24th 2023 at 10:08:32 PM

Look, as much as I'd love to debate this, we're mostly going in circles at this point and we've all made our stances clear, so let's move on to something else.

Anyone remember untold tales of Spider-Man? Or any other good Spider-Man run they are fond of?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2023 at 1:08:55 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#29024: Jul 24th 2023 at 10:21:13 PM

I'm hearing about a What if JJ adopted Spider-Man? But can't find scans of it anywhere.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#29025: Jul 24th 2023 at 10:24:34 PM

Yeah, I was planning on reading that one. I hear Jameson and Peter become a crime fighting duo.

Spencer's run has shown me how oddly endearing those two are as allies and friends.

Even the Wells run hasn't removed that part.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2023 at 1:25:00 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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