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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28901: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:36:24 AM

Eh. I'd rather see some Toxin.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28902: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:38:29 AM

You guys are putting me in Agony over the rejection. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28903: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:40:58 AM

Symbiotes have the worst names

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28904: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:50:39 AM

[up] Normie is possibly the only person to give his symbiote a name that doesn't imply (lower case) carnage, agony and misery. Between that and Knull, it's no wonder they're a troubled bunch.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28905: Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:23:04 AM

Gotta love these hold overs from the edgy 90s Lethal Protector.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28906: Jul 22nd 2023 at 2:31:46 PM

I said this before but the recent symbiote additions were at least more tolerable because they were kept within the family. Recent stuff with Liz Allen and Normie Osborn have some connection to the setting to justify getting a symbiote.

Black Widow though is just completely random and comes across as someone really wanting to write Nat at the expense of literally anything else. Its like if Deadpool was seriously brought into the mainline comic instead of an ignorable mini-series.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 22nd 2023 at 2:32:06 AM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28907: Jul 22nd 2023 at 4:06:27 PM

Like I said this is probably the result of someone at Marvel horny drawing Black Widow in a symbiote suit and then it getting the greenlight.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#28908: Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:55:13 PM

Eh clone black widow becoming venom still isn't the weirdest thing thats happened to nat the last few years. The weirdest thing was probably when a secret cabal of villains kidnapped her and a random dude, grew them a baby and messed with their minds and stuck them in a simulated suburbs.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28909: Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:56:54 PM

[up]Weirdly, that happened in one of my books and I never heard of this plot.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28910: Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:57:27 PM

I’m personally burned out on venom currently but I don’t see the big deal about Natasha becoming venom or hosting a symbiote for a while. The big strength of symbiotes as a concept is that they can try on different people every now and again

Since a new artist is coming on the book, presumably they just wanted to work Black Widow in and that character wasn’t doing anything more interesting lately except being punked by Arcade

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28911: Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:10:07 PM

I think the fact its happening randomly in the middle of the run is the issue.

I've already seen people assuming this means Nat is going to displace the actual stars of the book due to how bizarrely sudden her inclusion is.

Not helped by the bleeding cool article outright stating she's replacing Eddie and Dylan.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:10:38 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28912: Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:20:42 PM

Click bait journalism gonna bait

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28913: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:05:21 PM

That to, alot of comic book runs/reveal have been purely clickbait to generate intrigue and/or hate views from the comics gate crowd.

Which is true to the text back in the Superdickery days but instead of character X killed y on the front cover or character X is acting extremely out of character on the front cover.

It's usually a Twitter post about the characters sexuality (Jon Kent, Web Weaver, Tim Drake etc) or a black and/or female character taking on a white male hero's role as a legacy character.

Or just a cheap crappy death for "brand synergy" (Kamala)

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28914: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:12:07 PM

So the big event running from December to March is another gang war after Tombstone gets taken out.

Story involves Peter recruiting a band of heroes (including Miles, Jessica Drew, Electra, She-Hulk, Shang-Chi, with MJ potentially getting involved) to capture as many super criminals as they can within 48 hours.

Electra, Shang-Chi, Jessica and Luke Cage are all getting mini-series.

Jessica's said to have been changed by how she was rewoven into the web of life and destiny.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#28915: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:12:42 PM

"The weirdest thing was probably when a secret cabal of villains kidnapped her and a random dude, grew them a baby and messed with their minds and stuck them in a simulated suburbs." In fairness, that was a really good story, though. Great work done. I especially loved that one of the villains was outright pissed at another one fucking the whole thing up by trying to kill her, because she figured Black Widow would then kill them all. I love people being genuinely scared of Black Widow.

As for Nat becoming Venom, does seem like a weird choice, and also weirdly superfluous? Like, she's already one of the most dangerous people on the planet. Now she's got built-in camouflage, super-strength, invulnerability, webs, and everything else the symbiote can do? Damn.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28916: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:37:13 PM

Black Widow going through stepfordization is oddly hilarious.

Like we're the cabal of villains getting a cheap laugh at Natasha baking cookies instead of snapping their necks.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:40:09 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28917: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:41:13 PM

At least Luke Cage is getting a series this time after the unfortunate cancellation of his last one.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28918: Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:17:41 AM

[up][up] Wait, when did that happen?

Also do Spider-Man and Black Widow have any prior history in general?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28919: Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:20:51 AM

Spider-Man has teamed up with everyone at various points. I think they were Marvel Knights together for a period. But not like Hawkeye or Daredevil where she dated both men extensively.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#28920: Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:21:23 AM

[up][up] It was the Black Widow series by Kelly Thompson and I wanna say Elena Casagrande. I think she was the artist from the start of the run, I know she was on for at least part of it.

Edited by Tiamatty on Jul 23rd 2023 at 4:21:33 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28921: Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:27:02 AM

The only time I remember Spidey and Black Widow having any kind of extended interaction is when she offered a comforting ear to Spider-Man when she thought he was going through some rough days.

Those rough days being possessed by Doctor Octopus. But ghost-Peter did appreciate the gesture.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28922: Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:40:12 AM

Nat has about as much relationship to Spidey as he does any other hero, they probably worked together at least once before.

Again this is most likely just someone, probably Gronbekk, really wanting to write Nat and using this as an excuse.

It be like if Drax the Destroyer shows up, gets bit, and becomes Spider-Drax for a run.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:40:43 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#28923: Jul 23rd 2023 at 2:40:34 AM

[up] . . . Spider-Drax honestly sounds pretty fun.

And yeah, Spider-Man and Black Widow have had a few run-ins over the years. As I recall, their first meeting had her fight him, fairly early in her superhero career, just to test herself. Her logic basically ended at "hey we're both spider-people this could be interesting."

They've had other encounters over the years, but honestly none that actually stand out in my mind. I know they've had team-ups, I just cannot remember any of them. I think there was one where the SHIELD Helicarrier was attacked and the two had to reclaim it? I'm pretty sure that happened?

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28924: Jul 23rd 2023 at 3:04:52 AM

Black Widow has more "relations" with Daredevil than Spidey.

But in all seriousness why wasn't Black Widow introduced with Spider powers?

I get they needed the Spider-Woman branding come the 70s but seriously it a slam dunk. The Russians made an assassin with Spider powers and gave her the code name. Black Widow.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 23rd 2023 at 3:08:23 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28925: Jul 23rd 2023 at 5:35:22 AM

Announced at SDCC 2023!

The next dark event (yaaaay...) is pouring itself onto the laps of Spider-Man (both Peter and Miles, but mostly Peter) and other street-level heroes:

GANG WAR (yeah, not the most creative title...)

The whole event sprawls from Amazing Spider-Man, pinballs between that book, Miles Morales: Spider-Man, and tons of mini-series featuring Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, the new Daredevil (aka Elektra), Shang-Chi, and Mayor Luke Cage, and lasts from November 2023 to March 2024.

("Isn't this basically Devil's Reign: Spider-Man Edition?")

...Yeah, it kinda sounds like it. tongue


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