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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28876: Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:32:35 AM

Could have something to do with Ram V's departure. Now that Ram is exclusive to DC again, it could have scuppered any collaborative ideas they had for when they eventually brought their stories together

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#28877: Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:37:38 AM

Ram will be missed. He's been gone from Venom for a while (but still writing Carnage) though, so I wonder if it's just editorial stuff.

Or the lack of Ram doubling Ewing's Venom workload.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28878: Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:47:19 AM

To be fair, "random weird thing happens" is a perfectly valid take for a comic run.

A guy is given a comic and does something insane to get new readers is a tried and classic formula.

If I was given, say, Iron Fist, I would do something insane like have him become a time traveling space hero.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:47:36 PM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#28879: Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:51:53 AM

I do think it diminishes the concept of the symbiotes a little when everyone's been one (or, specifically, Venom) at some point, though.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28880: Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:53:22 AM

I dunno, I think that ship sailed when suddenly the Symbiotes have a god that is the Anti God.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#28881: Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:54:52 AM

At least that is used to give the actual main character a cool story.

Black Widow as a character is disconnected that giving her a symbiote it just completely random and there is absolutely nothing to feel there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28882: Jul 22nd 2023 at 12:56:43 AM

I suppose I view it from, "it'll be good for Natasha."

I liked Eddie Brock leaving behind the symbiote even if I knew it would never stick.

I even liked Venom Scorpion for how awful he became.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28883: Jul 22nd 2023 at 1:00:57 AM

I view this as a “dumb marketing sales stunt that will damage one or the other more than it will help either of them”

Like how Jason Aaron gave Echo the Phoenix during his Avengers run, an addition that provided absolutely no benefit to the character.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#28884: Jul 22nd 2023 at 1:09:02 AM

[up] I mean, basically every single thing Jason Aaron has done involving the Phoenix sucked. (The one exception was Logan turning Phoenix at the end of that Spider-Man/Wolverine mini, and the only reason that worked at all was because it was used as a relationship beat for Logan and Peter. But then Aaron decided he liked the idea of Logan as Phoenix and started throwing him into everything he did.)

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28885: Jul 22nd 2023 at 1:19:11 AM

Clearly, we need to give Spider-Man the Phoenix Force.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28886: Jul 22nd 2023 at 1:20:10 AM

I'd read it!

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28888: Jul 22nd 2023 at 4:07:02 AM

Frankly I think the reaso for thos Black Widow Venom thing is because one artist was probably thirsty enough to draw She-Venom Black Widow and it just went on from there.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#28889: Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:23:00 AM

@ Red Hunter 543: Granted, it kinda happened before, what with Spidey once briefly using a device taken from an android of Rachel Summers to become "Spider-Phoenix" for all of ten seconds or so (which itself happened in an Arcade-made simulation that Peter and Brian Braddock, then Captain Britain, had gotten trapped inside), so at least there's precedent for it (and it got to appear as an unlockable costume in Spider-Man 2 – Enter: Electro).

Edited by TrashJack on Jul 22nd 2023 at 8:25:46 AM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28890: Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:25:55 AM

I'm still surprised Electro got top biling in a video game.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#28892: Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:30:35 AM

[up][up] Most of the good, non-Goblin villains were already in the previous game, so it wasn't much of a contest. I mean, could you imagine if Shocker was the main villain instead of just the first boss?

Edited by TrashJack on Jul 22nd 2023 at 8:30:50 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28893: Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:53:46 AM

Torunn's twitter account confirmed Ewing has not left Venom

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28894: Jul 22nd 2023 at 6:07:34 AM

Oh okay I think I get it.

Presumably Torunn is being brought in to replace Ram V's section of the book, as the latter has recently signed a 2 contract with DC.

So bringing in Widow is prolly her addition to the book.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 22nd 2023 at 6:10:08 AM

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#28895: Jul 22nd 2023 at 6:15:53 AM

Ok, that makes it more interesting.

So we may get Natasha and Eddie rather than Dylan and Eddie, and probably some crossover between the two leads.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28896: Jul 22nd 2023 at 6:21:08 AM

Considering Ewing has been writing the Dylan issues for some time now, guess that means the previously separate Eddie and Dylan plotlines are finally now considered converged.

Which leaves room for a new B-plot.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#28897: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:19:59 AM

I'm all for symbiotes. They're my favorite corner of the Marvel universe.

But I wish they would use the ones they have rather than introduce a new one every other month.

Scream had a good run starting only to be replaced with Silence, Toxin keeps getting shunted back and forth, the Life Foundation symbiotes either basically don't exist or just get turned into Hybrid, there never was a follow-up on Plague, etc. Oh and Misery is now randomly a thing.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#28898: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:22:41 AM

I love all the symbiotes except when its Venom,guy is heavily overused

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28899: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:30:13 AM

We need more CARNAGE!

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28900: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:36:23 AM

Do weeeeee?

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