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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28776: Jul 20th 2023 at 6:28:14 AM

I think not telling her that makes Otto a bad boyfriend, but people can have relationships with others without disclosing their entire past.

My hangup is that I don't think that learning information that would make you not want to sleep with someone retroactively makes the previous encounters bad. Adding fantastical elements kind of hides the fact that this isn't that much different than someone who lies on a dating app or something.

I've never seen Lex Luthor pretending to be his australian son and dating Supergirl get as much pushback as Otto did when those stories are pretty similar.

Edited by Joshbones on Jul 20th 2023 at 6:45:47 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28777: Jul 20th 2023 at 6:37:28 AM

Not telling her makes Otto a rapist.

Objectively, that's rape by deception.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28778: Jul 20th 2023 at 6:55:33 AM

Yeah there's a difference between not telling a partner all of your past, and hiding the fact you're a supervillain who attempted to mass murder the planet and are currently puppeteering the corpse of the super hero who repeatedly foiled you.

Also this is the Spider-Man thread, not Superman thread, but Lex Luthor pretending to be his own son and sleeping with Matrix Supergirl IS rape by fraud.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 20th 2023 at 9:56:20 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28779: Jul 20th 2023 at 6:57:07 AM

Back in Real Life, rape by deception has been applied due to impersonation, due to not using claimed contraception or concealing an infectious disease, and to people concealing their gender.

It's not a thing that applies to previous convictions or not-yet-prosecuted criminal activity. A serial killer who has consensual sex without mentioning he's a serial killer has no case to answer on those grounds.

So Otto impersonating Peter is grounds for rape by deception, Otto being a murderous scumbag... probably isn't.

(Edited for clarity)

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 20th 2023 at 2:59:10 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28780: Jul 20th 2023 at 7:00:48 AM

Yeah the impersonation thing is something even Vol 2 brings up.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28781: Jul 20th 2023 at 7:00:53 AM

A couple of new shots of Jackpot from the variants of ASM#31

The costume is still fly, but the back of my mind is still groaning over this direction.

And did anyone notice these covers are referred to as "second printing" variants? The comic isn't even out, so this tells me they really are spamming the concept of second printings...

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28782: Jul 20th 2023 at 7:06:22 AM

Holy crap

Just read the October Marvel Solicitations

JMS is writing Spider-Man again! (a guest appearance in Captain America)], and he's gonna tackle the Sinister Six!

And Zeb is kicking off a massive 24-part story in October also, with Peter 'at his darkest'

Edited by Zarius on Jul 20th 2023 at 7:39:38 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#28783: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:15:39 AM

On the one hand. JMS spiderman is going to be lit.

On the other hand. Zeb wells with Peter at his darkest point. Fuck.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28784: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:24:05 AM

[up][up], [up]: It's times like this that make me wish I was wrong.

Turns out Peter really is going to be his own villain. Or at least be the New Goblin. And in other news, I don't want to live on this planet anymore. So thanks, Zeb Wells.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 20th 2023 at 11:35:37 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#28785: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:27:35 AM

Surprised Peter didn't snap before. His life has been endless suffering. (Yeah I know this is him getting Osborn's sins transferred to him. In making a joke)

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28786: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:28:32 AM

Hahaahahahahahahaahha..........

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28787: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:28:40 AM

So, Peter, filled with Norman's sins? Option #1, he overcomes them because he's Peter, and better than Norman, a reveal that probably breaks Norman and sends him spiralling back to madness. Option #2, Norman takes them back to save Peter. Either way, I see the original Goblin in the future again.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 20th 2023 at 4:29:09 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28788: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:29:28 AM

Option 3, Norman becomes the new Spider-Man, somehow. And Spider-Man stays the Green Goblin for a year or so.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 20th 2023 at 11:29:48 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#28789: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:30:29 AM

You know. I think the idea of a role reversal between Peter and Norman as hero and villain could be interesting tbh. You know for an elseworlds comic. It's baffling to do that for a mainline one

[up]Tbh. I feel like this maybe what actually happens. Where they keep Peter a bad guy for a bit to milk it

Edited by miraculous on Jul 20th 2023 at 8:31:16 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28790: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:40:29 AM

I continue to really hate the commutative property of sins that Spencer’s Sin Eater had.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28791: Jul 20th 2023 at 8:50:57 AM

This reply mentions it could be like Revenge of the Green Goblin only this time Peter did drink the serum.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28792: Jul 20th 2023 at 10:33:06 AM

So it's gonna be like that Spider-Girl storyline in which Norman overtook Peter's body?

Edited by Akirakan on Jul 20th 2023 at 12:34:14 PM

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#28793: Jul 20th 2023 at 10:44:55 AM

In hindsight, Norman becoming a...well, "Not bad guy" means it's only natural for Peter to become one in his place.

Kinda wonder what moniker Peter will take. "Spider Goblin" is a bit on the nose, but we're running out of colors for Goblins.

Edited by Spirit on Jul 20th 2023 at 1:45:38 PM

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28795: Jul 20th 2023 at 11:06:02 AM

Amazing Spider-Man#30 preview

Norman can take as much goblin juice as he can...it's not what made him the Goblin, it was because he was EVIL

And do I detect a wee bit of Superior coming out of Petey?

Edited by Zarius on Jul 20th 2023 at 11:06:34 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28796: Jul 20th 2023 at 11:47:53 AM

I find the concept interesting since the characters being mirrors of each other has been thrown around a lot, but the execution worries me.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28797: Jul 20th 2023 at 12:15:45 PM

[up][up] My theory: Peter's tentacles have a copy of SpOck's personality/memories in the artificial intelligence and is gradually seeping SpOck back into Peter. But then that probably contradicts the upcoming Kraven arc and the inevitable Goblin-Spider arc.

[up] Okay, maybe Peter getting Goblin'd isn't a bad idea per se? But I'm also worried about the execution. Like, I cannot in good conscience trust Zeb Wells with any ideas at this point...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 20th 2023 at 5:37:12 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#28798: Jul 20th 2023 at 1:54:23 PM

Wells still has a year to go on his run. Poor Peter...

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#28799: Jul 20th 2023 at 2:14:25 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28800: Jul 20th 2023 at 2:19:47 PM

....you know what?

I think we all need to calm down.

I get it. I really do. But everyone is gonna drive themselves crazy if they keep letting this get to them.

I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and think about puppies or something.

One Strip! One Strip!

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