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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28751: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:24:28 PM

[up][up]The Other History of the DC Universe #3

https://www.cbr.com/deathstroke-true-villain-judas-contract/

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 19th 2023 at 8:30:06 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28752: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:26:43 PM

Who even is Spider-Man's newest villain that people actually remember and, like, care about? Mr. Negative.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28753: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:29:52 PM

I like White Rabbit.

:)

But yes, Mister Negative is a great addition to the Spider-Man Rogues Gallery.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28754: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:34:25 PM

There's also Screwball. But I think that's more thanks to the game than the comics.

Both came out back in a time when Obama was recently elected president. Damn.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 19th 2023 at 11:34:45 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28755: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:39:45 PM

I think you misunderstand me. Doc Ock and Green Goblin are both objectively terrible people.

But even before Superior, Doc Ock had moments were he would protect civilians.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28756: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:40:05 PM

DC’s focusing back on Deathstroke being a full villain instead of an anti-hero to the betterment of the character.

He even had an acclaimed 50 issue run that made no attempt at saying he’s anything other than a true “wheelon”.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28757: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:40:41 PM

Oh I get it @Red Hunter 53 I grew up with the Raimi movies, the 90s animated series and Spectacular Spider-Man.

Norman was great there...but it was all just adaptations of Norman from his original run.

When I read the comics I realized quickly. I don't like this character post Lee/Ditko and Romita Sr/Conway.

To me Post Death of Gwen Stacy Norman is just a worse version of The Joker. As all my problems with the Joker are just more pronounced with Osborne. Except the fact DC is willing to give fans some catharsis by having versions of the Joker die. Usually by Jason's, his biggest victim's, hands.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 19th 2023 at 8:42:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28758: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:41:55 PM

Wait when has Jason killed the Joker? I think they give Harley more opportunities to kill him in AU’s I think.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28759: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:45:09 PM

Jason killed the Joker twice in the Death of the Family Animated Adaptation and 1 of the 3 Jokers in the Three Jokers story.

Plus if you wanna stretch it the DCAU Tim Drake is basically Jason in and he killed Joker in flashback during the Batman Beyond movie.

Basically DC acknowledging yeah Joker is a monster and deserves to die but we can't have Batman killing him....outside that one dream Injustice Superman had of what could have been.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 19th 2023 at 8:49:50 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28760: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:50:41 PM

White Rabbit also isn't a modern Spidey villain, she's been around since the '80s.

It's always funny that a lot of the time when people talk about new concepts, they end up talking about something a decade old.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28761: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:53:00 PM

[up][up] Ahhhhhhh

Those are good moments

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28762: Jul 19th 2023 at 9:35:19 PM

Speaking of decades old concepts, I'm surprised they didn't try to give Peter a Sidekick that is a spider. Not a Spider-themed superhero, but like an actual spider, which is presumably super intelligent.

It would at least look cute sitting on his shoulder and talking to him.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#28763: Jul 19th 2023 at 9:50:44 PM

Regular sized or giant?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28765: Jul 19th 2023 at 9:57:00 PM

Princess Petra has a spider sidekick called Webster, so a variant of Peter has one.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28766: Jul 19th 2023 at 10:08:38 PM

@Cortez.

I mean, that's a prize for basic decency, since Doc Ock also did shit like spying, superhero brutality, sexual assault, and identity fraud as Superior.

And that's relatively minor to trying to burn the planet out of spite.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28768: Jul 20th 2023 at 1:37:14 AM

[up][up] Frankly Superior Spider-Man made me question why doesn't Peter use the tracking devices or drones he's made in the past to monitor the city at convenient times so he can focus on his personal life

Sexual Assault: The only thing I can remember is Otto trying to seduce MJ but it failing horribly because his idea of romance is old fashioned ballroom dance and theater. Doubt any comic book writer would legit write a villain raping a love interest after DC's "Cry For Justice"

(Hell I remember Superior revealing Otto actually slept with Aunt May during that wedding story to Ghost Peter's horror)

Superhero Brutality: Their vigilantes not cops. Just say you don't like Otto killing criminals like Punisher, Moonknight or Spider-Man Noir.

Plus identity fraud is really redundant as the entire point of Superior was Otta body snatching.

Really the most famous act of villainy Otto had to his name before Superior was accidentally killing Captain Stacy.

Even the "nuke the world plot" only had consequences in Spiderverse with Spider Unlcle Ben showing its fallout.

Then the movies overshadowed that by making Otto a much more tragic villain which carried over to NWH.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 20th 2023 at 1:43:32 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28769: Jul 20th 2023 at 1:41:29 AM

....How much do you read of Superior? Like those drones he makes are invasions of privacy, he actually uses them to invade people's homes, and there are people who are legit disturbed those things spy on them and then destroy them.

And did you forget that beatdown of Screwball and Jester? That is superhero brutality, and all those other guys like the Owl, or that one vampire thing. Like he tortured the guy way beyond the level.

When I say BURN the world, I'm talking about the ends of the earth storyline. Do you know about it? There's literally a story over how he ended up giving a little girl brain damage because of the heat.

And the sexual assault thing is him sleeping with Anna under a fake identity, that makes him a rapist.

And dude, seriously stop making disingenuous assertions about why I'm disagreeing with things like superhero killings. Doc Ock as Superior was not heroic at all.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 20th 2023 at 4:46:34 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28770: Jul 20th 2023 at 1:41:40 AM

[up][up] Uh, the nuke the world plot only failed to have consequences because Spidey stopped it.

Attempted murder is still a crime, and attempted world genocide is absolutely, irredeemably evil.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 20th 2023 at 1:42:03 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28771: Jul 20th 2023 at 1:43:40 AM

Yeah, Doc Ock explicitly stated he wanted to kill 98% of the world so HE would be remembered as history's greatest monster.

And it's implied he was going to do the mind switch trick here before Spider-Man pointed out the flaws in his calculations.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28772: Jul 20th 2023 at 1:56:12 AM

Like I said a million is a statistic I expect a comic book villain to hold a city, nation or the world hostage with a doomsday device.

I don't expect them to break into the super hero base and rape the wife of a hero who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Kill their infant child out of pure spite then mock them for it.

The Venture Bros pretty much summed up what counts as good and bad arching

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28773: Jul 20th 2023 at 2:00:33 AM

I mean, Doc Ock did a LOT of personally shitty things as well.

I'd say killing someone after stealing their life is pretty personal.

Plus remember, Doc Ock used Peter's body to have sex with a woman who didn't know who he really was.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 20th 2023 at 5:01:19 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28774: Jul 20th 2023 at 4:25:35 AM

She didn't know who Peter was either, which is why I've never been too sure what to make of it.

Like, when Chameleon slept with Peter's roommate and they passed it off as a joke, I was super uncomfortable, but the Anna Maria thing felt different.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28775: Jul 20th 2023 at 6:13:51 AM

Ask yourself this, would Anna knowingly sleep with a guy who just tried to burn the planet and killed a shit ton of people in his years long career as a supervillain?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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