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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28701: Jul 19th 2023 at 2:26:41 AM

I mean, how many of those women was Peter actually dating at the time?

2/3

And while he wasn't dating Felicia he was trying to hook up with her

But he was just written terribly in that issue, the writer really going out of their way to shit on him

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28702: Jul 19th 2023 at 2:45:35 AM

[up][up] Well first I derisively refer to those three examples as such as I have no respect for those stories. As they are written with the sole intention just to hurt/humiliate Peter for a cheap laugh (Felicia) or drama (Gwen/MJ)

Second the Gwen example is the literal definition of the term. Gwen, who Peter was trying to propose to, cheated on him with Norman got pregnant and wanted him to raise Norman's kids with her before Green Goblin killed her.

Third Peter was dating MJ at the time and were about to move in before Paul's genocidal dad, Rabin, appeared out of nowhere and telephoned them to Paul's dimensions. So MJ straight up just cheated on Peter while she and the story continues to make it Peter's fault.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 19th 2023 at 3:26:49 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28703: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:07:37 AM

Felicia is one of the best ponies in Marvel and deserves to be able to hook up with whoever she wants.

I also note that "Sins Past" wouldn't have been a terrible story if Gwen's kids had been by Harry.

Which makes sense.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28704: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:24:01 AM

Sins Past was always going to have issues, regardless of what version they used, but if they absolutely had to use it, I feel like a version where a retired Peter and MJ find out that Peter had long-lost kids by Gwen (just normal, regular children she gave up for adoption that somehow ended up in Peter's life) would have been the least worst option.

Not necessarily great, it still kind of character assassinates Gwen, but it would have been somewhat of an understandable path she took.

On the plus side Mayday would have some new siblings to play with. That's at least something.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28705: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:24:43 AM

Yeah but Joe Quesada didn't want to do a interesting drama with Peter realizing two of now long dead closest companions betrayed him at their lowest points.

Harry (drug addiction) Gwen (dead father)

Joe simply chose Norman because the kids being Peter would age him too much. Plus Norman being revealed to be the baby daddy would freak fans out and "knock Gwen off her pedestal".

More reason why I say Joe was the worst thing to happen to the franchise.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 19th 2023 at 5:25:15 AM

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#28706: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:26:17 AM

Quesada also literally thought people in the 21st-fucking-century would have a problem with the idea of a non-married couple having sex and producing children. He outright tries to imply that Peter and Gwen, two consenting college-age adults in a relationship, never had sex, which is... highly improbable.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 19th 2023 at 8:27:49 AM

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28707: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:29:45 AM

Some days I feel bad for Quesada, since I honestly think when he dies he's be remembered for Mephisto's deal and literally nothing else he's ever done in comics.

But then I remember I don't actually know what else he's done in comics, and that he's responsible for the worst, most hamfisted, decision for any major comic character ever and has poisoned the well going forward for everyone involved, and I kind of stop caring about his reputation.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28708: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:33:57 AM

I'm still of the opinion they should have just closed the book on 616!Gwen's character with Spider-Man blue.

No sins past, no clone conspiracy and no Nick Spencer having to sacrifice the Kindred Saga to fix Quesada's mess.

Let the poor girl rest in peace and bring in 65!Gwen to have her multiverse adventures.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28709: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:37:20 AM

He outright tries to imply that Peter and Gwen, two consenting college-age adults in a relationship, never had sex, which is... highly improbable.

It's not even a Sliding Time Scale issue because the original ones were two consenting college age kids in the Sixties.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28710: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:44:11 AM

Superheroes and superpowered adventures are impossible, so we more easily accept them as a thing that happens in this universe.

Meanwhile, young adults going to college and living on their own for the first time and being sexually active is a real thing that actually happens. Them not screwing is, well it's unlikely. I'm not going to say it completely ruins my suspension of disbelief, but it's definitely something I'd raise an eyebrow at if an author insisted was a plot point.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28711: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:53:47 AM

It's hard to separate the weird puritan issues of Spider-Man as a brand from Quesada's own hangups. Also, the desire to age Peter down and the lengthy continuity.

  • According to a contract for movie rights: Peter can't kill people, sell drugs, or say fuck. However, he CAN do all this if he wears the Black Costume.
  • They want Peter to be a young bachelor but the Sins Past gave his girlfriend adult-aged kids (then retconned them as being radioactive super-aged ten year olds and no one questions this)
  • Quesada doesn't want Peter to have a divorce but Satanic pacts are an option.

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#28712: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:59:15 AM

According to a contract for movie rights: Peter can't kill people, sell drugs, or say fuck. However, he CAN do all this if he wears the Black Costume.

I love how the legal contracts explicitly specify that Symbiote Spidey can sell drugs in a movie. Did Bully Maguire have a side hustle we weren't made privy to?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28713: Jul 19th 2023 at 5:59:41 AM

I mean, I would love that.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#28714: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:17:54 AM

IIRC Bill Mantlo wanted Peter and Felicia to have a child out of wedlock in his 80s Spec run, but was vetoed by Jim Shooter because "We sell Spider-Man lunchboxes, we can't do that." The sentiment is older than Quesada.

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#28715: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:19:18 AM

Uh I can kinda get that for the 80's. It's Just weirder for the 2000's.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28716: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:20:01 AM

I actually was hoping that Insomniac's Spider-Man and Felicia had a child.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 19th 2023 at 6:26:37 AM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28717: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:23:08 AM

The funny thing is that a crucial plot point in Spider-Island, post OMD, was that Peter and MJ did it so much MJ was immune to Spider-radiation. I wonder why that was okay.

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#28718: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:27:30 AM

Their married I guess. Like it is canonical that Peter and Mj do BDSM with his webbing.

Also may be wanting to avoid the Spider-Man reign plotline being canon of spider man stuff causing her to get to radiation.

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#28720: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:56:55 AM

But who knows where they were sharing them

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#28721: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:57:51 AM

So the reverse of the radiation death from Reign

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#28722: Jul 19th 2023 at 6:59:35 AM

Her doctor: “You have an unusual resistance to radiation damage”

MJ: “HAH!”

Doctor: “Um?”

MJ: “Private joke”

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28723: Jul 19th 2023 at 7:03:48 AM

There was also Spider-Man: The Gilded Cage, a canceled mid-80s graphic novel that had Spider-Man get mowed down by a machine gun and be nursed back to health by Carla DelVeccio, a mob boss's wife, and eventually romance her.

Jim Shooter approved the story but the artist team was delayed so much that by the time they got to work on it, the editor had changed to Tom DeFalco, who killed the story. What remains of the story can be found as a rough draft, a Cracked article with some pages colored in, and a summary with some black-and-white pencils.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28724: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:09:52 AM

@Aleistar I hate that stupid mentality because it's a huge double standard. Peter can't have an out of wedlock child with Felicia or sex before marriage with Gwen because he sells merchandise to kids.

But Iron Man and Wolverine can drown their problems in alcohol and lots of "out of wedlock sex". Logan has alot of illegitimate kids besides Daken yet they got a huge amount of toys for toddlers to teens.

I'm at least glad the Insomniac games took the idea of Peter and Felicia having a kid but Felicia using it as leverage to get Peter to help with a heist.

I'd really think it would be interesting if Insomniac!Felicia was telling the truth. She does have a kid with Peter but prefers being a thief over anything resembling a functional let alone traditional family with Spidey.

Maybe Peter could use that as a lesson to Miles.

Peter: Don't fall for morally ambiguous villaonesses. It never works out....and child support is a bitch.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28725: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:10:49 AM

Wolverine can't smoke anymore, so there's that. XD

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