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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28676: Jul 17th 2023 at 1:53:19 AM

[up][up] Ironically thats a more negative interpretation than what actually happened when Aquaman's kid died.

Sure Mera is furious but she's not treated as a nagging wife, her fury is justified and this is basically what lead to her and Arthur separating for years.

And the story also has Aquaman being a huge fuck up, as his relationship with Aqualad was also severely strained. As when Manta forced the 2 to fight or else his son died, Aquaman with no hesitation turned his trident towards Garth, which wound breaching their previously close relationship.

That story majorly affected in a way that could never be reversed the status quo and setting of the characters for years (in-universe and out) as Arthur relationships with Mera and Garth was never the same.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 17th 2023 at 1:54:47 AM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#28677: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:11:46 AM

Did Manta get buddy buddy with Arthur too?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28678: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:21:19 AM

They do not no, their relationship obviously only worsened since, to the point Manta has actually made fun of him for it.

"Hey Mr. King of the Seas. I have a question, and I've been waiting a long time to ask for it. How's the wife and kid?"

To be clear about the mention of Manta's turn at being a hero, that was actually very recent. Its from only a year ago in Aquamen, before that in the literal decades between Manta killing Arthur's child and 2021-2022, Manta was pretty much treated as a Complete Monster rivaled only by the Reverse-Flash in pettiness.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28679: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:35:49 AM

So how is Spider-Man relevant to this again?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28680: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:40:04 AM

There is at least one species of spider that lives underwater, which will no doubt be the basis of a new Spider-Man enemy one of these days. That's something.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28681: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:49:59 AM

[up][up] Aquaman has the benefit (for the lack of a better term) to be capable of having a failing ongoing.

Sure he currently has no run but at least the maligned Aquamen direction won't continue which is something Spider-Man unfortunately lacks as he's too big to fail.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#28682: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:50:39 AM

[up][up]Peter and Arthur both have redhead love interets?tongue

You know, a Spider-Man and Aquaman team up might be interesting. Shame DC and Marvel no longer collaborate.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 17th 2023 at 10:51:10 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28683: Jul 17th 2023 at 4:43:28 AM

I wanna see Venom and Superman have a rematch.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28684: Jul 17th 2023 at 4:44:37 AM

Super Venom would be a Hell of a thing

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28685: Jul 17th 2023 at 4:48:14 AM

It's canon that Doctor Doom considers the Venom Symbiote to be more addicting and potentially more powerful than the Beyonder.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28686: Jul 17th 2023 at 8:34:11 AM

The symbiote's have gotta be the biggest case of executive meddling making a shit ton of money.

The black suit was supposed to just be Spidey's new hi tech suit but Todd Mc Farlane's love of the classic red and blue made Venom and the rest is history.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28687: Jul 17th 2023 at 8:46:48 AM

The black suit was made too convenient to get rid of

Although yknow coulda just introduced a new function where it can change colors

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28688: Jul 17th 2023 at 8:48:45 AM

Funnily enough, Spider's shadow does have Peter contemplate doing just that.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28689: Jul 17th 2023 at 10:15:37 AM

I mean, the black suit was badass looking for Red and Blue is better for children marketing.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28690: Jul 17th 2023 at 10:20:57 AM

I had heard the black suit was unpopular so the switch was made, but they kept it around as an alternate costume just in case.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28691: Jul 17th 2023 at 10:22:06 AM

It was very popular with teenage boy fans. You know because DARK.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28692: Jul 17th 2023 at 10:29:55 AM

Did that kind of edginess exist already?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28693: Jul 17th 2023 at 10:30:26 AM

It is eternal.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#28694: Jul 17th 2023 at 9:06:07 PM

The black suit's popularity has gone up and down thanks to weird timing. When it was first introduced everyone hated it... because Secret Wars hadn't explained the change yet.

As far as readers of Spiderman were concerned, they just see one issue end with Peter falling through a portal in his classic red and blues, only for the next issue to open with him falling out of a portal in this new black suit. The only explanation being a blurb saying 'Find out what happened in Secret Wars!'

But it took like a year before Secret Wars finally got to Peter getting the suit. So people hated the unexplained change at first only to have it grow on them over the months.

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#28695: Jul 18th 2023 at 6:45:13 PM

I'm catching up on Unlimited (through issue 23) and I gotta say, I actually like this run a lot. If you take a step back and stop caring about OMD and stop seeing bad things happening to Spider-Man as personal attacks on you, the reader, this can actually be a pretty fun reading experience. The art is great and Wells has told some pretty fun stories. I didn't like the event tie-ins very much, but I think the rest is pretty good.

I also had to go back and read 555-557, the arc that introduced Rabin, and I liked that one as well. "You are a painting on a cave wall" almost sounds like Wayep is leaning on the fourth wall a bit.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28696: Jul 18th 2023 at 8:43:37 PM

You know I'm surprised its never brought up as much but Gwen Stacy was introduced by Steve Ditko during the "If this be my destiny" storyline.

It's funny Gwen Stacy's death is all that the original character is remembered for that everyone forgets she debuted in one of the most iconoc stories as Peter's latest college enemy.

Side note they were really pushing Betty Brant as a love interest back in the day. Even having her dream that Peter would reveal himself as Spider-Man to her.

In hindsight I think that Ultimate/Insomniac MJ is really a composite of the two characters.

An intelligent career focused reporter woman (Betty) but also a snarky redhead that knows Peter's identity and supports him (MJ)

As Ultimate!Betty Brant barely had any role before dying. While she doesn't seem to exist in the Insomiac games.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28698: Jul 19th 2023 at 1:21:26 AM

Betty and Peter didn't stop being pushed as a potential couple until the hobgoblin saga, really.

Peter even has an affair with her while she's married to Ned, even if nobody talks about it.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28699: Jul 19th 2023 at 1:59:57 AM

Peter getting cucked by Norman (Gwen), Daredevil (Felicia) and Paul (MJ) is more memeable than him doing the same to Ned whose only recently became popular thanks to the MCU.

Honestly I think MCU is the only recent time we've had all of Peter's friends and love interests be put in the same age group sans Jessica Jones.

Usually Betty Brant is portrayed as much older when she was just a college dropout.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28700: Jul 19th 2023 at 2:09:56 AM

[up] You Keep Using That Word...

I mean, how many of those women was Peter actually dating at the time? His love interests may get back together with him at some point (that's comics), but when they're broken up, they're going to see other people (although Norman... oh dear. The retcon there was wise). Same as Peter does.

Yes, he's the hero, but it seems odd that people grumble about his supporting cast having in-universe lives of their own.

Even in Paul's and MJs case, it's not unreasonable for someone who's been isolated from their ex for years and isn't sure they'll even get back to the same world to move on. Even without the "only two adults in the world" stockholm syndrome thing.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 19th 2023 at 10:27:01 AM


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