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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28651: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:17:51 PM

[up][up] Boat murdered?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28652: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:27:55 PM

Damian is still been going strong as a teenager even though his bro Jon is legally allowed to drink now.

Though I still don't like DC breaking up the super sons having Jon in the injustice universe makes for an intriguing story. As Joker literally killed him and his mom there causing Clark to snap.

I like that DC can committ to their decisions.

Main universe: Give Superman a family after years of stringing along Lois.

Injustice: Joker kills Superman's family, dies for it and the story continues from there.

Spider-Man just constantly keeps backpeddling. Norman literally killed Mayday in 616 but no writer beyond Mark Miller will nut up and acknowledge it.

MC 2: Kaine pulls the biggest face turn and goes on a one man rescue mission to save baby Mayday.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 16th 2023 at 10:28:06 AM

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28653: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:29:54 PM

Mostly because they need to still have stories written about them, and the higher-ups who own the IP are afraid of too much irreversible change. A character having kids probably gives some of them nightmares.

Well that doesn't necessarily have to remain. Just that there needs to be more of a willingness by fans of the flagship stuff to:

A. Drop a title if they find the creative direction unenjoyable. And...

B. Trying titles that have what one wants whether it's well mainly in this case books that move ahead.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28654: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:32:09 PM

DC used to HATE messing with the status quo even more than Marvel. Did you know that Supergirl was once so hated by DC Editorial they actually made it so she was "Superman's Secret Weapon" so she would never show up in the actual mainstream Superman comics. No, she could only show up in the Legion of Superheroes and her own comic.

And they wanted to kill her in Crisis because she felt she diluted the brand.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#28655: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:32:57 PM

Also because the Helen Slater movie bombed hard.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28656: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:34:20 PM

Yet they still kept introducing Supergirls and Zod's so they can keep the license for the names.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28657: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:36:04 PM

Funny thing, apparently when they restored Supergirl, they were genuinely flummoxed to find out she still had a massive fanbase.

Apparently this being like, "Oh wait, girls DID read comics and always have" thing.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28658: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:36:51 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] Apparently its implied that Norman had whatserface kill The Baby en route to Europe, on the boat

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 16th 2023 at 1:37:06 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28659: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:37:13 PM

I do wonder how Spider-Man would react to Supergirl if they ever met.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28660: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:37:41 PM

"Please tell me you're not related to the Sentry"

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28661: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:40:01 PM

I figured it'd be like, "oh, did Captain Marvel get a sidekick?"

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#28662: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:40:01 PM

"Did Thor or Carol have a long lost little sister?"

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28663: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:41:40 PM

Well, my thought is that she has a big S

On her costume. And the Sentry has a big S on his hernia belt.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28664: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:49:24 PM

Spider-Man: Yes, but she's not crazy either. I think.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#28665: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:57:10 PM

I'm reminded of Life of Reilly and how interviews mentioned that Mayday's fate was kept very ambiguous because nobody wanted to go down in history as the person who killed Spider-Man's baby.

This is pretty rich considering how kill-happy the Big 2 became in the 2000s when it came to kids. Remember Lian Harper's fate in Justice League: Cry for Justice.

Meanwhile at DC: "Yeah, Superman and Batman are both dads and the fans love it. Heck, we aged up Superman's son and are sticking to it despite everyone begging us to undo it!"

Mind you, DC allowing Superman to have a kid is a fairly recent development. For the longest time, their view on superheroes having kids was not dissimilar to how Marvel viewed Spider-Man having kids.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28666: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:00:13 PM

Aquaman was the first sign of superhero families being threatened.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#28667: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:14:05 PM

So Spidey and Aquaman have something to bond over: baby murder!

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28668: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:14:59 PM

I love the way you phrased it implies Spider-Man and Aquaman are baby killers.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#28669: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:15:50 PM

And being suddenly chummy with the people who killed their kids.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#28670: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:17:11 PM

[up] sounds like shonen protagonists, sure you killed my friends and family but now you feel bad about it so everything is fine with you and me.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28671: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:18:50 PM

Norman: I bet Peter is wishing for some Dragon Balls to bring back Mayday am I right?

Everyone else in the room: ......

Norman: What? I was trying to make a joke, and show my knowledge of anime that Harry used to watch as a kid.

Jameson: YOU FORGOT THE PART WHERE SHENRON GRANTS THE WISH! What? I have hobbies.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28672: Jul 17th 2023 at 12:10:41 AM

[up][up] Nah even Obito had the common courtesy to stay dead after trying to late term abort Naruto, then put the Shinobi world in the matrix to get with his waifu 17 years later.

Plus Freiza makes for a good fight and Goku is willing to put the universe at stake to throw some hands.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28673: Jul 17th 2023 at 1:15:26 AM

[up][up][up][up] Thankfully that whole thing with Black Manta being a hero in Aquamen was a total bust and helped lead to the series cancellation.

So they should be going back to archnemesis soon.

Sadly though Arthur jr. has been retconned out (as well as Arthur's other son Koryak) so Black Manta technically hasn't killed his son at the moment.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28674: Jul 17th 2023 at 1:46:45 AM

In the The Refrigerator Monologues, a great book, the story of Aquaman Expy is particularly nasty. Basically, the child is horribly murdered and the Mera expy gets treated as the nagging wife for the fact that her character never gets over it and continues to bring it up because their child is dead.

Which is, of course, a lifechanging no Status Quo Is God event.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 17th 2023 at 1:47:16 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28675: Jul 17th 2023 at 1:48:44 AM

That def sounds like it has a Gwen Stacy expy.

....Yep.

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