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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28626: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:46:37 AM

I forget which issue, but some comic had Vulture be upset that Peter Parker was just an ordinary guy instead of some rich and powerful celebrity when he unmasked him.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28627: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:53:43 AM

Everyone expects Spidey to be a genuis billionaire playboy philanthropist instead of a struggling bachelor living paycheck to paycheck.

Though honestly Spider-Man if allowed to grow up should become a tech billionaire just based on his web formula alone.

Like imagine how many police units would pay a fortune for web guns/rifles.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 16th 2023 at 9:54:30 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28628: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:56:51 AM

That aside, I personally prefer him as an average joe trying to make a living.

I don't really vibe with his MCU self for that reason. Spider-Man is one of the most identifiable members of the working class in fiction, and I find it suspect that Disney is making him part of the elite who goes on world tours and has a guaranteed job with Stark.

I have Batman if I want to read about a billionaire superhero who is street level.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28629: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:57:01 AM

He was a tech billionaire only a few years ago, and it wasn't really liked, so they had him bankrupt himself to defeat HYDRA.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28630: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:00:53 AM

I think that they could have done that but had it be a struggling Tech Start Up.

Because there's no way to be a superhero full time and a CEO.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28631: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:06:16 AM

People don't want to see tech mogul Peter Parker but I think it could have been interesting to see how Peter's ethics run into what's necessary to run a big company.

Latter day Spider-Man 2099 did that with Miguel finding himself in charge of Alchemax, trying to make ethical choices and having his spider identity accused of being a corporate stooge because whoops he kept showing up to defend Alcehmax's interests

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28632: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:14:09 AM

I'm just tired of seeing Peter struggling financially as a guy with his intellect level.

Yeah I get it working class but theirs a limit when you have a guy that can make tracking devices, drones and emps with minimal tech struggle to make ends meet by selling pizzas or photos of his alter ego.

I know guys with half that technical skill make 6 figures as government contractors.

What I'm saying is Pater Parker should be asking Nick Fury if he's looking for a technician job.

Also [up][up] that's literally Batman.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 16th 2023 at 10:16:47 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28633: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:24:20 AM

I didn't like Parker Industries, but I think the period before that where he worked at Horizon Labs and just sold his old tech and used it for practical stuff was the perfect compromise.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#28634: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:30:08 AM

[up][up] Makes it look like Peter is still written as a college kid or something.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28635: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:54:26 AM

Peter's usual reason for not looking for a better job is that he wants to be able to run off at a moment's notice to Spider-Man. Laudable but it does mean that when Aunt May or Peter himself or whoever in his life is having economic difficulties he is making a choice to not be more financially reliable.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28636: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:00:25 AM

How else is Peter going to whine about how being Spider-Man ruins his life?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28637: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:19:03 AM

I have little sympathy at this point because he's been offered a karmic get out of spider-man free card and told someone else would step up and he's like nah I like being miserable.

And then five minutes later he got bodyjacked by Ock.

YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, PETE.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28638: Jul 16th 2023 at 4:31:55 PM

Plus Doc Ock showed he doesn't have to be patrolling 24/7. Just have some spider drones monitor the city at night or when he's busy.

Plus if Peter finds the right job he can make his own hours. Much more respectable than working for Norman "I killed your infant daughter" Osborne of all people.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28639: Jul 16th 2023 at 4:52:35 PM

Bah, there was never a may Parker because of Mephisto!

So good for Norman!

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28640: Jul 16th 2023 at 6:21:16 PM

Nope Norman still refs the child as his list of regrets.

So he still killed Mayday.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28641: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:47:04 PM

And the story dances around directly stating this for obvious reasons.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28642: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:54:18 PM

I'm reminded of Life of Reilly and how interviews mentioned that Mayday's fate was kept very ambiguous because nobody wanted to go down in history as the person who killed Spider-Man's baby.

Apparently Mark Millar didn't mind.

(Tried to find the issue that had Norman thinking about baby Mayday, learned that the fact that she was dead was first brought up in Marvel Knights Spider-Man written by Mark Millar. Not surprised he's the dude that would choose to kill the baby.)

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 16th 2023 at 12:54:38 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28643: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:56:01 PM

And even then, it was mostly through having Scorpion tell Spidey Norman killed the baby.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#28644: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:56:01 PM

[up][up]Well, Mark Millar also thought that May should be Peter's biological mother from when she cheated on Ben with his dad. As a teenager, despite being an elder constantly on the verge of keeling over in Peter's own teen years.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 16th 2023 at 12:56:16 PM

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28645: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:56:07 PM

There's a lot of character development that is both perfectly logical and supported by the fans that will never happen for certain comic book characters. Mostly because they need to still have stories written about them, and the higher-ups who own the IP are afraid of too much irreversible change. A character having kids probably gives some of them nightmares.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28646: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:57:31 PM

I like to imagine those same executives burn issues of Renew your vows and Spider-Girl on the altar of Mephisto at the offices of Marvel.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 17th 2023 at 1:00:18 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28647: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:58:30 PM

So the takeaway is that Mark Millar has a lot of bad opinions.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#28648: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:58:43 PM

[up][up][up]Meanwhile at DC: "Yeah, Superman and Batman are both dads and the fans love it. Heck, we aged up Superman's son and are sticking to it despite everyone begging us to undo it!"

[up]Oh yes, definitely. Though in fairness, even he came to realize that Trouble was completely awful.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 16th 2023 at 1:03:11 PM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28649: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:04:31 PM

Thats the thing, isn't it?

Comic book kids will either be gotten rid of.

Like how Lyja and Johnny's egg turned out to be a space WMD. Vision and Wanda's kids turned out to be Mephisto's pinkies. Poor Mayday who is very definitely dead, boatmurdered even.

Or comic book kids will be sent to the phantom zone to age up.

Captain America's Ian Nomad. Cable. Billy and Quicksilver Jr technically. Franklin that one time and hell it happened to him twice. Cable again. Anime Parker got timeskipped into teendulthood once the writers got tired of her being a kid, like fools.

Kids aren't the problem. Kids that stay child aged are because they make the forever status quo too obvious.

I'm honestly surprised Gerry Drew and Dani Cage haven't had things happen to them so far.

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 16th 2023 at 1:06:35 PM

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28650: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:04:40 PM

DC is just playing catch-up after decades of the Clark-Lois romance slowly burning.

Which I guess means by like 2027 Peter will either not have moved an inch from where he is today, or him and MJ will be raising an 8 year old Mayday, with no in-between.


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