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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28576: Jul 15th 2023 at 7:55:29 AM

The Thousand is better off dead.[lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28577: Jul 15th 2023 at 8:14:40 AM

Norman was better off dead and you can't convince me otherwise as his "glorious" return came at the expense of Mayday's infanticide.

Thanks alot Marvel editorial.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28578: Jul 15th 2023 at 8:24:37 AM

Gwen coming back depends on if someone could write good stories for her.

But I think it would be a mistake to do so now. They'd only be doing it as another obstacle to Peter and MJ, and that would just breed resentment towards Gwen, not unlike every other new love interest they've tried.

If Gwen did come back, I'd like her to be something besides a love interest. Lets see what she is without Peter in her life. Or you know, give her an actual character. It seemed like no one could decide what she actually was beyond loves peter, hates Spiderman.

One Strip! One Strip!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#28579: Jul 15th 2023 at 8:38:57 AM

Now we got editors insisting on how restrictive MJ is to Peter's fun life as Spider-Man and constantly keeping them apart in favor of the "fun" Black Cat.

MacKay even pointed out this irony in n Mary-Jane & Black Cat: Beyond.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mary_jane_and_black_cat_beyond_2023_001_028.jpg

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mary_jane_and_black_cat_beyond_2024_001_028.jpg

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28580: Jul 15th 2023 at 8:44:02 AM

Black Cat: skeptical

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28581: Jul 15th 2023 at 8:46:43 AM

Yeah, if I ever brought back Gwen Stacy.

It would be Gwen saying how much Spider-Man and she were a trashfire even before her death and as a female friend.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28582: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:08:40 AM

So I checked out that Days of Future Past Issue you all were talking about. Peter actually does try to just swing away when it's clear things are getting ugly, but the mob somehow pulls him down.

Notably, Shadowcat, who's narrating calls bullshit on the idea that Peter refused to fight back because he didn't want to hurt the crowd. As she puts it, who lets an angry mob beat them to death?

That's a damn good question Marvel. I think they just really wanted it to happen this way and logic was shoved in a corner to make it happen. Hell, him jumping into the middle of the crowd is dumb in the first place.

One Strip! One Strip!
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28583: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:09:33 AM

I could see Peter giving into Despair Event Horizon in such a bleak place. Peter has a history of giving into those.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28584: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:11:06 AM

That's a very defeatist way of thinking honestly and just focuses on again ruining Peter's chance of happiness saying hey your first love is alive but says the two of you would never work out.

When honestly the problem Peter and Gwen had originally was basic communication issues. As Gwen wanted Peter to cpme with her to Europe and propose to her but Peter was too racked with guilt to come along as himself.

Heck TASM movies simply subverted this by having Peter reveal himself as Spider-Man prior to Captain Stacy's death. Destroying the relationship problems that made Gwen a "bad love interest" in the first place.

Honestly Gerry Conway's writing of Gwen as the "nothing character" was too effective. As today everyone thinks of her as the nagging girlfriend of Spider-Man that unfairly died to Green Goblin.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28585: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:17:19 AM

I did find a video on my feed about MJ titled "The Most Toxic Woman Ever".

Thumbnail in particular has images of the 90s cartoon MJ, Raimi MJ, and MCU MJ.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 15th 2023 at 9:17:29 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28586: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:26:59 AM

It's like a video saying Norman is a good dad thanks to Ultimate Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28587: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:40:22 AM

It's days of future past, I have no idea why they didn't have Spidey die fighting a Sentinel or something.

This feels like the marvel equivalent of Nightwing dying in injustice.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28588: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:43:38 AM

I suspect that having him be beaten to death by a crowd of people he'd have normally been saving (and was trying to calm) down is meant to be more tragic.

It's to show that all heroes, not just mutants, are being hated by the people they've tried to help.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28589: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:45:07 AM

This is pretty on-brand for Marvel citizens TBH.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28590: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:51:44 AM

It is.

It's an issue.

One Strip! One Strip!
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28591: Jul 15th 2023 at 9:58:11 AM

Reading the comic and Peter did try to escape, but the humans swarmed him and killed him, and the narrator doubts he just gave up because "who lets an angry mob beat them to death"?

I think we might find out he didn't really die later on.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 15th 2023 at 12:58:29 PM

The Protomen enhanced my life.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28592: Jul 15th 2023 at 10:01:12 AM

...come to think of it, we don't see a body, and there's no mention of a funeral.

It's possible he managed to somehow get away...and then just said Spiderman no more, only this time, it stuck.

Like, nearly being beaten to death by people he's probably saved a few time wouldn't be the worst reason to say !@#$% you all!

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#28593: Jul 15th 2023 at 10:10:32 AM

Good reason to just start breaking limbs in the way out, too.

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28594: Jul 15th 2023 at 10:12:55 AM

[up][up] That's like that plot twist in a Batman story where Batman turned evil because of a bunch of civilians beating him to near death thanks to a Lex Luthor speech.

Long story.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28595: Jul 15th 2023 at 10:19:06 AM

[up] What story was that?

The Protomen enhanced my life.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28596: Jul 15th 2023 at 10:24:38 AM

Last Knight on Earth.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28597: Jul 15th 2023 at 10:28:06 AM

That one got trippy, and Superman unfortunately dying because he and Luthor entered a debate on humanity while the planet as their audience

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28598: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:10:21 PM

Problem is we've seen an alternate Peter that staright abandoned MJ. Giving up the man in favor of the mask.

Assassin Spider-Man, and he made quick work of his rogues permanently after joining with Wolverine and Shield.

So the complete opposite of Zeb Wells can't fight his way out of a paperbag Spider-Man.

Well, shoot. So there's literally nothing that can save the Zeb Wells run at this point? We're better off waiting it out?

That is exactly the type of idea that will give the anti-MJ crowd the perfect ammo. There are people who already think all MJ is good for is worrying about Peter's safety and whining about the problems him being a superhero brings to their lives. Having Peter go Injustice Superman because he lost MJ won't salvage this story, let alone endear MJ and their relationship to those opposed to them. It will allow people to argue that she is an albatross around his neck.

But that's the opposite of what we want! surprised

Now we got editors insisting on how restrictive MJ is to Peter's fun life as Spider-Man and constantly keeping them apart in favor of the "fun" Black Cat.
MacKay even pointed out this irony in Mary-Jane & Black Cat: Beyond.

It just goes to show there really are writers who could run circles around these backwards-thinking editors. Get real, editors. (*keeps trying to manifest Jed MacKay as the writer on ASM after Zeb Wells*)

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28599: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:14:41 PM

I like Black Cat.

I like Mary Jane.

I want them to form a detective agency and recruit Betty Brant or Firestar.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#28600: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:19:31 PM

I don't know if it's MJ specifically that's viewed as restrictive so much as it is any healthy, committed relationship. They like having Peter in romantic relationships, but they also want those relationships to be a source of drama, where you can never be sure how long they're going to last, and where they can be cast aside without too much trouble if someone wants to try putting Peter in a different relationship.


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