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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28551: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:36:31 AM

There goes any cool stories of Spidey trying to survive the sentinel future.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28552: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:57:42 AM

[up] Eh, there's always another timeline for that. As with New Universe, 2099 and (probably) Ultimate, if they want to play with the setting again, they'll just create a new Alternate Universe or Alternate Timeline where they can portray it slightly differently.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28553: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:59:27 AM

Spider-Man in a cyberpunk dystopia and fighting against a corrupt government is a story concept I'm quite fond of.

I've got a soft spot for Spider-Man Unlimited for this reason even if the show is....that.

I love the costume.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28554: Jul 15th 2023 at 1:23:07 AM

Spidey has to be the most dogged flagship character I've ever seen.

Marvel can't go five second without making this guy's life a living hell.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28555: Jul 15th 2023 at 1:37:54 AM

I gotta say I think a hate mob is one of those times where its perfectly okay to hurt people.

Who cares if a bunch of murderous bigots get hurt after all?

[up] Most AU's do involve him dying, like the Flash Thompson became Spider-Man universe, where while Uncle Ben survived Aunt May got cancer and Peter was accidentally killed by Flash.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 15th 2023 at 1:44:50 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28556: Jul 15th 2023 at 1:39:37 AM

Yeah, Spider-Man is a nice guy, but that's OOC.

Like the guy is able to use force to get a crowd to disperse like that time in Maximum Carnage.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28557: Jul 15th 2023 at 2:09:10 AM

He doesn't even need to fight back

He can just leave

He's got super speed

Webshooters

Can stick to surfaces

He doesn't need to be anywhere a hate mob can access

In the comic, though, the random civilians are apparently capable of breaking his web lines and holding him down. It's not just OOC, it's utter BS

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28558: Jul 15th 2023 at 2:20:50 AM

Marvel have published a behind the scenes retrospective on Secret Invasion, at one point during the early discussions between editors and writers, there was a vote to determine if Gwen Stacy would return, the one who died revealed to be a Skrull, the votes were tied so Dan Buckley voted against it TWICE, which annoyed people.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28559: Jul 15th 2023 at 2:30:19 AM

I gotta be frank, he was right to do it

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28560: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:13:35 AM

Let the poor women rest already, she's been dead for half a century at this point.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28561: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:19:23 AM

That’s bizarrely hilarious.

That story was back in the BND era so Marvel WAS desperate to recapture that Romita-Lee era.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#28562: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:21:07 AM

at least they've not tried the "actually,she never died at all and faked her death!"

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28563: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:23:23 AM

They did clone her and claim she’s totally back in the clone conspiracy.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28564: Jul 15th 2023 at 3:34:56 AM

[up] And then quietly just ignored that

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28565: Jul 15th 2023 at 4:20:34 AM

Gwen has to he the biggest case of sellers remorse for a characters death.

They won't officially rez her like every superhero 6 months after death.

But here are:

Gwen's clones that are slowly degrading

Gwen's clone children w/Norman courtesy of Mephisto (Epic Prank Peter)

Alternative Universe stories where Peter is married to Gwen.

Younger Gwen from an alternative universe where she's Spider Woman

Gwen's perfect clone that died hating Peter and admits she would have lost to MJ

Gwen brought down from Heaven to judge Peter (Pretty awkward with Gold Goblin flying around now)

Like just bring her back or stop finding new ways to torture Peter with her memory.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#28566: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:16:31 AM

@28555 That reminds me of a What If? blog where they had a running tally of issues where Spider-Man died or not.

More often than not, he did.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28567: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:37:45 AM

And then quietly just ignored that

They didn't ignore it, the Clone just died. All the good clones did, while the clones of villains got to stay.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28568: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:45:38 AM

[up][up]

Spider-Man: Lives

What if?: And I took that personally.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#28569: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:49:34 AM

[up][up]did the clone stacy die at night so they could say 'the night gwen stacy's clone died"

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28570: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:51:59 AM

Someone on Twitter made a great point that the Zeb Wells run could be salvaged if it showed how much Peter loses himself when MJ isn't in his life because we've seen Peter with his own Goblin Glider and now we've seen him using Otto's OG tentacles in this newest issue.

Heck, didn't the Spencer run have a whole thing where Peter admitted to needing a reason to take off the mask and MJ is that reason?

Too bad editorial seems a little too near-sighted to even consider going that route. tongue

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28571: Jul 15th 2023 at 6:31:02 AM

Problem is we've seen an alternate Peter that staright abandoned MJ. Giving up the man in favor of the mask.

Assassin Spider-Man, and he made quick work of his rogues permanently after joining with Wolverine and Shield.

So the complete opposite of Zeb Wells can't fight his way out of a paperbag Spider-Man.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 15th 2023 at 6:31:32 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#28572: Jul 15th 2023 at 7:17:04 AM

[up][up]That is exactly the type of idea that will give the anti-MJ crowd the perfect ammo. There are people who already think all MJ is good for is worrying about Peter's safety and whining about the problems him being a superhero brings to their lives. Having Peter go Injustice Superman because he lost MJ won't salvage this story, let alone endear MJ and their relationship to those opposed to them. It will allow people to argue that she is an albatross around his neck.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28573: Jul 15th 2023 at 7:28:35 AM

I can't help but see the irony as MJ was supposed to be the "fun" alternative to Gwen.

Wbo was written as a stick in the mud at best and a hysterical women over Spider-Man at worst by Gerry Conway before killing her off in favor of MJ.

Now we got editors insisting on how restrictive MJ is to Peter's fun life as Spider-Man and constantly keeping them apart in favor of the "fun" Black Cat.

At this point Spidey's next love interest is gonna be even crazier when the writers decide Black Cat is no longer "fun".

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28574: Jul 15th 2023 at 7:39:17 AM

[up] "Never say that Mighty Marvel doesn't listen to its fans! It's time for that Spider-Man / White Rabbit romance that you demanded!"

(Although I have no idea about the Rabbit's love life, if it's ever been shown)

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28575: Jul 15th 2023 at 7:46:29 AM

Gwen Stacy should be brought back.

Bucky proves that there's no character better off dead than alive.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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