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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28526: Jul 14th 2023 at 10:25:28 AM

[up] I think he probably had plans for Peter and MJ to resume dating in Spider-Island since he was originally intending to start Superior immediately after, but had to be convinced otherwise so they could celebrate an anniversary issue with it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28527: Jul 14th 2023 at 4:01:49 PM

The big problem with Superior's marketing was Slott loudly insisting the change was permanent and for the better and dunking on anyone who objected to this. Granted, a lot of the objections came from fans that apparently thought Slott was being serious, which is also hilariously stupid.

Don't blame fans for taking him at face value. That's kind of shitty.

I'll disagree with Slott understanding the appeal of Peter/SM. I don't think he understands the character well at all, given the way he writes Peter as a manchild and how little I remember his civilian supporting cast in Slott's runs.

I read all the big time stuff a while ago, and find myself thoroughly unimpressed. I just felt he was constantly setting things up, then skipping the payoff to foreshadow the next thing coming, over and over.

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#28528: Jul 14th 2023 at 4:18:00 PM

Can we all agree that even if not all Dan Slott wrote was bad, he has severly overstayed his welcome at this point and the spider-man comics really could use a new main writer to give it a new direction at this point?

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28529: Jul 14th 2023 at 5:21:58 PM

I remember some of Slott's supporting cast. For the first few years he put a focus back on Peter's friendship with Betty, and at the same time Peter had a cop roommate and the cop's sister, and one of them framed him for murder.

The most successful of them were probably Max Modell and the horizon labs crew, Modell even made it into one of the cartoons.

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#28530: Jul 14th 2023 at 5:23:40 PM

[up] he also made up a lot of new bad guys but besides mister negative and screwball, most of them didn't stuck around for long.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28531: Jul 14th 2023 at 5:24:45 PM

I remembered Max Modell, but the whole Horizon stuff was very tied into his Spider-man side as well.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28532: Jul 14th 2023 at 5:46:01 PM

@ Saiga: Maybe I was too harsh in my wording, and I apologize, but I'm still kind of gobsmacked at how many people didn't know a blatant publicity stunt when they saw one.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28533: Jul 14th 2023 at 6:16:44 PM

I wonder what Hulk fans felt when Peter David was on the title for over a decade

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28534: Jul 14th 2023 at 6:56:42 PM

He was hugely popular from what I've heard. Chris Claremont too, although he was kinda fraying at the edges by the time that he was forced out.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28535: Jul 14th 2023 at 7:18:01 PM

Peter David had a ups and down history.

He's a fantastic writer but he also killed Betty Banner and other controversial things like the Professor Hulk.

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TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#28536: Jul 14th 2023 at 7:40:04 PM

Calling Professor Hulk a "controversial thing," while accurate, feels weird to me given it's the most successful implementation of an idea that had been tried multiple times going back to the first six-issue series by Stan Lee.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28537: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:09:24 PM

I don't remember the comic version of The Professor Hulk being wildly hated.

He's not as popular as Joe Fixit, Green Scar, Devil or Savage, but he wasn't hated.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#28538: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:15:42 PM

I'm pretty disappointed that the Immortal Hulk run wasn't a build up to a return of Professor Hulk. He's kinda the logical end goal of Banner's system learning to cooperate...for the umpteenth time.

Edited by Spirit on Jul 14th 2023 at 11:16:01 AM

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Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#28539: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:31:20 PM

So, the latest Days of Future Past revisitation revealed that Pete died when an anti-mutant mob beat him to death and he did nothing to stop it because he was too afraid of hurting them by fighting back.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28541: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:33:44 PM

....We better be talking about Pete Wisdom.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28542: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:34:57 PM

I think the controversy with Professor Hulk has more to do with the retcon that he's just another Hulk personality, instead of being Bruce Banner and Hulk truly merged into one being.

[up][up][up] So how Wolfsbane died in the Rosenberg X run

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 14th 2023 at 8:35:45 AM

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Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#28543: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:37:10 PM

I think a true fusion between hulk and banner should be smart and sophisticated yes, but also still angry constantly and hungry for smashing, which is clearly not professor hulk, professor hulk just acts as banner's on hulk's body, rather than feeling that they fused together it feels like he killed the savage hulk personality.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28544: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:39:25 PM

I liked how Hulk was portrayed in EMH.

Basically Savage, but capable of speaking full sentences, and still having a lot of cunning.

He also once rattled off a scientific principle, proving that all that genius is still in there, he just doesn't need it because he can literally smash the crap out of anything under the sun.

He knows exactly what he's doing.

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Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#28545: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:41:52 PM

[up] I loved his friendship with Hawkeye in that series, I know it's not the same continuity but their friendship there made hawkeye killing banner on civil war 2 hurt all the more.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28546: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:43:17 PM

EMH Hulk is basically Professor Hulk the opposite way. Banner agreed to let Hulk be in charge 99% of the time and freely provided his smarts.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#28547: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:08:23 AM

If I had a nickel every time the X-series had a story about a superpowered character being beaten to death by regular humans they could have easily fought off or ran away from, I'd have two nickels. Which doesn't sound like much but it's weird that it's happened twice.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28548: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:10:33 AM

So he's okay punching dudes doing who steal a TV but he'll passively sit back and let himself be hate crimed by a mob that will definitely go onto hate crime again. Your priorities are skewed, Peter Q Parker. Fuckin dumb.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28549: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:11:01 AM

Well two things one I like the Professor Hulk character and thinks it's a natural conclusion to the character Banner able to come to terms with the anger issues that made him create the Hulk split personality as a child and move onto become a better version of himself.

Second I hate that a bunch of random New Yorkers were able to kill Peter without him putting up a single fight. Like at least make it more realistic.

Say the King Pin using his corrupt government connections got some sentinels and the sinister six to jump and kill spider man

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28550: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:12:43 AM

Or have him go out like a hero, getting killed while protecting people from Sentinels even though he could have avoided them.


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