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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28451: Jul 8th 2023 at 11:01:37 AM

Wasn’t Vulture one of the first supervillains that really gave Spider-Man trouble?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28452: Jul 8th 2023 at 11:04:10 AM

If a 40 year old man is still struggling with something they had trouble with 30 years prior, something is wrong.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28453: Jul 8th 2023 at 11:44:16 AM

I feel like people internalize "Spidey holds back" too much. Because at some point you have to stop and realize that makes way too many stories not make sense.

Vulture has always been depicted as incredibly strong due to his flight harness anyway, that's part of his shtick.

Bluecatcinema Since: Nov, 2010
#28454: Jul 8th 2023 at 11:51:14 AM

There's also the fact that Vulture's flight harness gives him a major advantage. Spidey can swing on webs, climb buildings, but he can't fly. So fighting the Vulture is always an uphill struggle.

Edited by Bluecatcinema on Jul 8th 2023 at 11:52:46 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#28455: Jul 8th 2023 at 11:56:08 AM

Still, being reduced to beg for help is just not a look you want your hero to have. Especially to Norman of all people, sin cleansed or not.

Edited by Blueace on Jul 8th 2023 at 2:59:13 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28456: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:08:10 PM

Yeah, there were far more dignified ways Spider-Man and Green Goblin could team up.

Like the new Superman run has Lex and Superman teaming up in a way that makes sense for both their characters and comes off as a natural evolution of their dynamic since Lex at this point has come to accept that the world needs Superman but wants it to be HIS Superman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28457: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:09:53 PM

I really don't have any positive feelings toward redeeming Norman from his Dark Reign Complete Monster status.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28458: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:11:15 PM

@Joshbones Its hard to not internalize it when in Superior Spider-Man Otto himself realizes

"Peter Parker could have killed me at any time" when he punches off Scoripion's jaw off.

Then later goes onto wreck the Vulture for using child labor

Or Peter beating King Pin within an inch of his life for getting Aunt May shot

Or the simple fact all his rogues immediately start panicking when Spidey stops talking.

Like Spider-Man not knowing his own strength goes way back even to the old Japanese manga adaptation where that Spider-Man accidentallykills his version of Electro with one punch.

For Osborn I say Peter having anything less than "on site" mentality for the man that killed his "lover, brother,daughter and friend" is absurd. Some folks just need killing and Norman is up there with the likes of Bullseye.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 8th 2023 at 12:16:10 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28459: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:13:48 PM

[up][up] Personally, not a fan either, BUT Gold Goblin was surprisingly enjoyable, and I REALLY don't care much for the main Spidey RN.

So might as well enjoy this trainwreck's good moments.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28460: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:18:39 PM

I don't mind Spider-Man being super strong and I think when he beat Sin Eater to brain death, I felt it was a good moment.

But I *ALSO* want Kingpin to be able to beat him in a fair fight too.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28461: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:22:36 PM

Listen until King Pin has absurd strength moments like Spidey or suddenly becomes a meta human like ITSV version him being able to beat Peter Parker in a fair fight ain't happening.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28462: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:24:05 PM

Kingpin is a regular human at the end of the day, there is a limit to what he can do. I enjoy it when supers remind him of that fact, like when he picked a fight with Joe Fixit/The Hulk.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28463: Jul 8th 2023 at 12:44:07 PM

The Kingpin thing is fine because Peter stopped fighting Fisk after college and you can just extrapolate he got stronger over time. (Also he got an increase in power by The Other but nobody talks about that)

The Scorpion thing is also explainable. Over time, people just kind of assumed all his power was in his suit, when initially, Stillwell's experiment was responsible for his power, and all the suit did was give him the mechanical tail. Peter being able to break his jaw is just a sign of that, he was not holding back when they fought for the first three or so decades, because Gargan was legit stronger back then.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28464: Jul 8th 2023 at 1:16:49 PM

Then you have cases where Peter just straight up gives the hands to guys like Wolverine.

Like they legit had to bring in The Juggaurnaut to give Spidey an underdog fight because even the writers realized. Spider-Man is too strong for his usual rouges.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 8th 2023 at 1:22:13 AM

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28465: Jul 8th 2023 at 1:41:27 PM

I think this is one of the reasons I do prefer cartoons to comic books. Cartoons don't typically sweat the small stuff like the dick measuring contests comic book writers like to have with their favorite comic book characters super powers.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28466: Jul 8th 2023 at 1:43:34 PM

[up]

What is that in reference to? I don't understand how discussing Spidey's feats is a dick measuring contest.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 8th 2023 at 4:46:20 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28467: Jul 8th 2023 at 1:48:13 PM

[up][up]Comic writers don't care about power levels like fans do. They care more about thematic weight.

Spidey beating Kingpin like that wasn't done so that you'd ignore every encounter they'd had in the past, it was done so you could feel the rage he had after May was shot.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28468: Jul 8th 2023 at 3:49:45 PM

I really liked Tombstone beating Spider-Man but that's only one thing I liked about the current one.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28469: Jul 8th 2023 at 3:53:00 PM

Yeah thematic vs power scaling.

Problem is its like wrestling.

You can say X beats Y

But if Y has been booked like a jobber for years aka the Vulture and suddenly has X, the face of the company, crying for help from his former enemy, fans are gonna call bs on your storyline and say the booker/editor needs to be fired.

What I'm saying is Zeb Wells is a lot like Vince Russo.

[up] Tombstone makes sense because it's established multiple times he a tough bastard to even hurt. But one thing again Spider-Man should never beg for mercy.

It makes the hero look weak and pathetic.

Even Spectacular Spider-Man knew that and it was a young teen Peter getting his first ass kicking. Onto of Tombstone constantly guiling his way out of situations till Spidey finally webbed him up to CPT Stacy.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 8th 2023 at 4:00:11 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28470: Jul 8th 2023 at 3:57:38 PM

The Spider-Man rogues are really in need of an upgrade.

Hell a lot of them still use the very dated classic outfits. Rhino still has the suit with a rhino face around his face so it looks like a rhino is eating him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#28471: Jul 8th 2023 at 4:04:15 PM

Tbh if vulture got some upgrade or something you would think they would give h in to explain it (even the ymmv page says no. That didn't happen because it's the first thing you think off).

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28472: Jul 8th 2023 at 4:05:15 PM

Should have had Mephisto make deals with all of them to make them stronger and thus Peter even more miserable.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28473: Jul 8th 2023 at 4:07:29 PM

[up][up] The context for the beatdown in the current run is Vulture is in a rage after his granddaughter cut off contact with him cause he's a villain.

So he didn't even get an upgrade or anything. Its just normal Vulture only really, really mad.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#28474: Jul 8th 2023 at 4:08:35 PM

Yeah that's what makes it way too unbelievable to a lot of people. Thats way too much of a leap.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 8th 2023 at 4:08:52 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28475: Jul 8th 2023 at 4:13:02 PM

He’s got the power of hate and werther’s originals on his side

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