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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28401: Jul 6th 2023 at 1:18:55 PM

Okay, that's reasonable.

It sucks because it seemed the one good part of this run.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Shadow-Whisperer Comedy guy from Tacoland Since: Jun, 2022
Comedy guy
#28402: Jul 6th 2023 at 2:53:39 PM

[up]x3 Seconding the opinion that MJ looks great in that costume; and, at the very least, even if the comics where she will appear as Jackpot end up being poorly written, maybe the design could pop-up latter in an adaptation that developes the concept.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#28403: Jul 6th 2023 at 8:06:27 PM

My concern is that they'll have MJ and Cat fight over Peter.Really prefer not to see that.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28404: Jul 6th 2023 at 10:58:29 PM

So first things first

Jackpot: Hate the name, hate costume and hate MJ's "superhero origin story" aka Paul and the fake kids.

Second Spider-boy Peter is really sending that kid down the Syndrome route. What are you cooking Dan Slott?

Also still hate the Goblin!Spider costume. Peter is willingly wearing the gear of the man that kidnapped and killed his infant daughter.

Third the Peter MJ and Felicia love triangle either commit to one of the two marvel or have Peter marry both marvel editors. At least that's a kink I can get behind rather than Wells' ntr melodrama....

Fourth Superior Spider-Man back. Like Norman, Harry and Kraven firmly saw those characters should have had their original deaths stick.

We wouldn't have had to have Nick Spencer have to fix the problems of them coming back for sub par stories

Sins Past

Harry returning post OMD

Original Kraven dying again and being cloned so editorial could have their toy back.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 6th 2023 at 11:57:45 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28405: Jul 7th 2023 at 1:00:47 AM

I'm Felicia/Peter's strongest soldier but yes this run has done very little to make them enjoyable. The book is too busy focusing on its awful plots to give any attention to them.

We've had a few bits here and there that are good though. Hopefully they stay together for a bit longer after Wells stops writing the book.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28406: Jul 7th 2023 at 1:10:28 AM

I'll admit my first experience with Black Cat was Spider-Man TAS so I always preferred her over MJ. As it downplayed her loving the mask over the man with Peter. Plus the super soldier serum making her a muscle mommy and Spider-Man's legit equal who could knock him on his ass.

Coincidentally I've always hated Morbius for some reason.....

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28407: Jul 7th 2023 at 1:19:35 AM

Yeah I don't have much hope for this.

Keep in mind Jed Mc Kay one of the strongest writers currently employed by Marvel wrote the last Mary Jane/Black Cat series and it was still bad because he had to deal with the whole bullshit story MJ is dealing with.

Try as he might he could not make it work. Its like if you give Al Ewing who can make anything work a story and it turns out crap, that says something.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28408: Jul 7th 2023 at 2:57:03 AM

[up][up] I genuinely forgot the part where Black Cat fell in love with Morbius and morbed all over him.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28409: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:32:01 AM

i liked the black cat and MJ crossover, most of it takes place in hell so paul and the kids are nowhere to be seen and you can just ignore them

[up] thats not how i choose to remember it

Edited by Saiga on Jul 7th 2023 at 4:32:21 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28410: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:18:55 AM

Well at least Spider-Man's last on screen kiss in TAS was with Black Cat on battle world in their version of Secret Wars.

Plus it was nice they squeezed in Gwen Stacy as Iron Spider-Man's wife. Which I always find funny that in any "perfect" future for the Web-Head he's married to Gwen.

Really sells home how her death was his greatest failure next to Ben.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28411: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:20:36 AM

I admit, I liked rather than disliked that Peter's ideal life in House of M was him married to Gwen Stacy not MJ.

Not to slam MJ but that he did love Gwen.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28412: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:24:07 AM

Gwen was his first love after all.

The only thing that tore it apart was death itself.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28413: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:24:55 AM

[up] And Peter's life in any world where Gwen lived would have gone very differently. Agreed.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28414: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:48:16 AM

[up][up] 1. Betty was his first love.

2. Gerry Conway was going to break Peter and Gwen up even if she had lived as Aunt May was his original first choice for a sacrifice, he was 'convinced' to kill Gwen, so no, Peter and Gwen weren't going to have an unbreakable bond. Conway always preferred MJ.

[up] In one of the worlds where Gwen lived, they got married but Peter ended up publicly exposed and had to become a fugitive, putting an end to a happy ever after right away. So...yeah. That's not the win you think it is.

Other worlds where they're happy were only created through mystical means which diminishes Peter's guilt over her death, they're not reflective of anything.

The majority of worlds have Peter happy with MJ, it's only through magic and soul corruption that they are apart in 616. Occasionally, they can overcome it (Spencer's run) but they're still cursed with the Mephisto deal so until that's settled they'll always have bad spills.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 7th 2023 at 5:54:41 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28415: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:50:59 AM

[up] Perhaps, but God Does Not Own This World, and breaking up Peter and MJ (more than once) hasn't exactly ended her role in his life.

Another writer would have pitched reuniting them at some point and I suspect that, sooner or later, Marvel would have tried it.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28416: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:56:02 AM

[up] So? Another writer would just break them up again if they didn't like her. You'd have the exact same problems we have with MJ right now with Gwen. What makes anyone think she is the exception to the rule? Stop living in an idealised fantasy, Marvel don't want Peter married to anyone PERIOD, not just MJ.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28417: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:57:57 AM

In one of the worlds where Gwen lived, they got married but Peter ended up publicly exposed and had to become a fugitive, putting an end to a happy ever after right away. So...yeah. That's not the win you think it is.

Peter being unwilling to lie about himself to be rich and famous is Peter in a nutshell.

Gwen supported him either way.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28418: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:58:34 AM

My main point of contention with worlds that show Peter married to Gwen is they usually brush over the actually major problems their relationship had to present a happily ever after better world

I hear House of M does show the relationship as kind of rocky so that’s fine

It is funny that at multiple points MJ has expressed the belief that Peter was just settling for her and that Gwen really was an unimpeachable angel too good for this world that MJ never could have won Peter’s heart from

In the first Black Cat MJ series, Black Cat bemoans being the bad girl who couldn’t win against MJ and MJ said hi welcome to my world, let me tell you about Gwen Stacy

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#28419: Jul 7th 2023 at 6:00:12 AM

[up][up] I wasn't saying they would. But at the moment it's all about Peter and MJ, and has been for years.

Everyone else is in second place. If Gwen and MJ were both around it would be a very different dynamic.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28420: Jul 7th 2023 at 6:00:56 AM

[up][up][up] That What If was only a one-and-done, we don't know what kind of relationship they would have going forward with all of the complications. It's a big part of why I want that universe explored again.

Oh, and there is course Clone Conspiracy where Gwen said to Peter it was only a matter of time before she lost him to MJ

Edited by Zarius on Jul 7th 2023 at 6:03:19 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28421: Jul 7th 2023 at 6:12:10 AM

I think my issue with Jackpot is that I don't like the idea of every human supporting character becoming a superhero. If I wanted that, I'd go watch the CW.

I also wasn't a fan of the first two Jackpots, and.making her actually MJ instead of maybe MJ doesn't really help as much as I thought it would.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28422: Jul 7th 2023 at 6:14:34 AM

Yeah thats definitely why I'm not digging this.

Like Renew Your Vows had some novelty in making Peter and MJ a battle couple with good banter and what not.

But actually making MJ an independent hero is striking a bridge way too far there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28423: Jul 7th 2023 at 6:17:05 AM

I didn’t dig the random powers thing from the black cat MJ series vol 2

And I’m not sure why she was given slots powers specifically except to reference a thing she said decades ago

Make her the Tigra II, you cowards

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28425: Jul 7th 2023 at 6:32:38 AM

He’ll unlock his Paul powers and become the Kwisatz Haderach

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