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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28376: Jul 4th 2023 at 9:10:29 AM

How would you have Actress MJ interact with the same plot points then?

There's lots of ways to get Mary Jane involved as an Amateur Sleuth as she's a heroic Badass Bystander in the comics.

Hell, you could keep the reporter element and actress.

"Phil Urich hired me to impersonate a magazine reporter and get this information."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 4th 2023 at 9:11:34 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#28377: Jul 4th 2023 at 9:13:31 AM

[up] As mentioned a while back, Models Inc. was entirely about models as amateur sleuths, including MJ (although she's definitely not the lead).

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 4th 2023 at 5:15:06 PM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28378: Jul 4th 2023 at 9:23:01 AM

Plus I'd rather not have the MJ sneaking sections in the game at all. Her and Miles' great value Metal Gear moments were the worst in the game and had me saying.

"This could have been a skippable cutscene and I would have lost nothing."

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 4th 2023 at 9:23:18 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#28379: Jul 4th 2023 at 2:28:45 PM

Going back to the point about female villains -

Who do we have who's physically stronger than the spiders and largely invulnerable, if anyone? That Rhino/Tombstone/Molten Man sort of power set?

(A thought prompted by Rhino-Gwen, mostly)

It's the sort of niche I'd suggest Titania for, if I wasn't enjoying her fight club frenemy stuff over in She-Hulk so much - she's less fun as an outright villain.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 4th 2023 at 10:29:07 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28380: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:34:23 PM

[up]During the Clone Saga, Doc Ock's girlfriend Stunner had that powerset, but I think she's trapped in virtual reality as of now.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28381: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:36:34 PM

How can someone be trapped in virtual reality? Is she isekaid?

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28382: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:53:59 PM

It's the sort of niche I'd suggest Titania for, if I wasn't enjoying her fight club frenemy stuff over in She-Hulk so much - she's less fun as an outright villain.

Which is kinda weird since during Immortal she stated she hated Jen because she "a cop". Then again, she was already leaning to the good guy side in that book.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 4th 2023 at 8:04:08 AM

Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#28383: Jul 4th 2023 at 7:25:49 PM

Who do we have who's physically stronger than the spiders and largely invulnerable, if anyone?

Stunner, Shathra, the (Spider-)Queen. Others like Delilah and Joystick have varying degrees of Super-Toughness.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28384: Jul 5th 2023 at 6:28:07 AM

It appears Christos Gage has been credited with writing Spider-Man#10, with Slott getting a 'story by' credit. Perhaps since Slott is busy with a Superior Spider-Man relaunch and Spider-Boy, he's had no time to finish off the last few issues of his current book?

Edited by Zarius on Jul 5th 2023 at 6:28:17 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28385: Jul 6th 2023 at 4:13:50 AM

So we got a sample of Bailey's powers in this week's issue of Slott Spider-Man Paralysis spider-bites

Edward45 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#28386: Jul 6th 2023 at 4:17:45 AM

[up] Isn't that Miguel O'Hara power?.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28387: Jul 6th 2023 at 9:37:13 AM

Mary Jane confirmed as the new Jackpot. Debuts in ASM#31 and will then get her own mini-series.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28388: Jul 6th 2023 at 9:39:50 AM

Oh, joy.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#28389: Jul 6th 2023 at 9:42:31 AM

I mean, it's not a huge surprise. The Jackpot name was already in use for a superhero, and MJ's current powers are very much in line with it. I think lots of folk here saw it coming.

But I'm not feeling overly enthusiastic.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28390: Jul 6th 2023 at 10:12:53 AM

I love Jackpot and always felt Mary Jane getting some Lois Lane/Jimmy Olsen powers was a good idea.

So good for Spider-Man.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28391: Jul 6th 2023 at 10:38:20 AM

[up] Well, it worked for Renew Your Vows

There really is no dramatic reason to keep them apart any longer unless she's still with her canonical chain Paul.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28392: Jul 6th 2023 at 10:40:08 AM

I mean, Peter with Felicia is a good reason.

I'm only now catching up but hope to read more of them. They're one of my favorite pairings in comics.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28393: Jul 6th 2023 at 10:43:36 AM

[up] Peter's only using Felicia right now to get over MJ, and Felicia's lost all credibility with me because she's settling for silver medal. Their current relationship isn't well written at all and is founded on very shaky foundations. Felicia can't even read the room correctly with Peter's grief over Kamala.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 6th 2023 at 10:45:26 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28394: Jul 6th 2023 at 10:45:35 AM

Ugh.

People can love multiple people.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28395: Jul 6th 2023 at 10:47:05 AM

[up] MJ is Peter's one true love, he's made that very clear over the years. He's only with Felicia because MJ rejected him (neither of them know it wasn't by choice) and isn't processing that loss very well. If you want to stan Spider/Cat, go ahead, but this take on their relationship is objectively a joke

Edited by Zarius on Jul 6th 2023 at 10:48:04 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28396: Jul 6th 2023 at 11:09:06 AM

What I just said is rejecting One True Love as a concept.

I really was liking when Felicia was shown as a friend of Mary Jane and someone that Peter still has strong feelings for even if he's married to someone else. The Felicia and Mary Jane comics were great too.

No, he may not be with her because he's with someone else but saying he has to love only one person kind pisses me off. Mostly because I'm the child of a widower. It seems weird to be against people having a Second Love, especially in comics where deep relationships can be forged for decades.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 6th 2023 at 11:09:39 AM

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28397: Jul 6th 2023 at 11:13:51 AM

Yeah, you’re being too harsh, Zarius. Like, one of the reasons Gwen was killed off was that they couldn’t think of anywhere to go with her other than marrying Peter. And in multiple alternate realities where she survives, like House of M, they are married

By your own logic, both MJ and Felicia are just backups for Gwen then.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#28398: Jul 6th 2023 at 11:19:43 AM

[up] [up]Yeah. The narrative that Our Hero can only have one true love is... a little bit problematic and doesn't compare well to real life.

That said, in Peter's case it's complicated by the One More Day Cosmic Retcon. There was a marriage... and then there wasn't.

Whereas Daredevil's marriage broke up for story reasons, Karen Page died etc.

And most other Marvel mainstays aren't so locked into a particular relationship. Scott and Jean have their dysfunctional resurrection loop, and I can't see Hulkling and Wiccan separating any time soon, but beyond that...

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 6th 2023 at 7:20:01 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28399: Jul 6th 2023 at 12:22:58 PM

I have this unflinching feeling that I won't like where they're going with MJ/Jackpot...

...But damn it, that's actually a really great costume.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28400: Jul 6th 2023 at 1:16:03 PM

The issue is more due to how things are currently running, there is no way to enjoy Peter's current relationship with Felicia.

Because the foundation is built on such a horrid plot and writing, there's not really much benefit to it.

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