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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28226: Jul 2nd 2023 at 8:56:19 AM

Closest you got to that besides Renew Your Vows was the What if The Civil War Never Ended story.

Peter by the end loses his powers along with all the heroes and Skrulls but he's finally reunited with MJ and his daughter who he didn't erase to Memphisto.

Cloak accidentally nuking NYC tends to throw a wrench into the let's make a deal with the devil plans.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28227: Jul 2nd 2023 at 8:57:24 AM

Cloak, what the shit

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28228: Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:02:54 AM

[up][up] Renew Your Vows is so tricky, in regards to X-Men canon it pretends a lot of the 2000s didn't happen, it's hard to pinpoint where exactly in canon RYV diverges from even though the Clone Saga happened. The JMS era might not even be canon to it because RYV Peter claimed he didn't previously have experience with Morlun or the Inheritors during Spider-Geddon.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:04:09 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28229: Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:04:59 AM

I just pretend the JMS era happened without the Morluns in the RYV continuity.

Makes the run even better IMO.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28230: Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:30:22 AM

In that universe Jean Grey marries Wolverine and has a kid with him.

So it's a pretty ugly universe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28231: Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:32:10 AM

Ehhh, can't win em all.

At least the Spider corner of the world is better.

Funnily enough, Gerry Conway DID NOT want to write the shit with the X-Men but had to because of Editorial.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#28232: Jul 2nd 2023 at 10:23:04 AM

Do Spider-Man comics suffer from too many retcons? This video seems to think so, criticizing recent Spidey comics for being constantly retconned and the character feeling stagnant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVfGz_tmg0

Like the 2018 video game has the guts to make a permanent change and kill off Aunt May, the comics would never do something like that now and if they did, she would be back within a year.

Edit: Also I am having trouble embedding videoes, which is why I just posted the link.

Edited by Overlord on Jul 2nd 2023 at 10:25:49 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28233: Jul 2nd 2023 at 10:29:03 AM

[up][up][up] Eh tbh my opinion of the Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Grey "love triangle" is that these characters are better off not talking to each other ever again.

Especially Cyclops with those two as they bring out his worst qualities.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 10:29:16 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28234: Jul 2nd 2023 at 10:31:08 AM

It's similar to my feelings with Namor successfully running off with Sue Storm

Yes let's let the adulterer actually get away away with romancing another person's spouse, probably one of the scummiest thing anyone can ever do

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28235: Jul 2nd 2023 at 11:24:39 AM

Funnily enough, Gerry Conway DID NOT want to write the shit with the X-Men but had to because of Editorial.

Whoa, seriously? I was wondering whose idea it was to have Wolverine and Jean married cause that shit is rank

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28236: Jul 2nd 2023 at 12:29:50 PM

[up][up] Well with Cyclops he's cheated on Jean with Emma and fathered Cable with Madelyne then quickly abandoned both once Jean was resurrected. Dick.

So my sympathy for Scott who literally pulled "daddy went to get cigarettes" on baby Cable and Madelyn goes down the drain.

The movies though oh absolutely Scott was done as dirty as possible.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 12:30:49 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28237: Jul 2nd 2023 at 12:34:59 PM

He didn't cheat on her with Emma, he was assaulted by her

She took advantage of him during a therapy session

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28238: Jul 2nd 2023 at 12:44:58 PM

Jean also has stuff like letting Fantomex go because she’s hot for him

They’re all terrible people

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28239: Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:02:05 PM

I've not read much of the comics, but like half to two-thirds of the main X-Men seem like horrible, irredeemable people based on the stuff I've heard about them in passing.

The only ones who I don't hear doing bad things are like Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Kitty Pride, Collosus, and pretty soon Kamala Khan.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28240: Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:08:02 PM

Nightcrawler and Collosuss are cinnamon rolls

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28241: Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:08:19 PM

[up][up]They might make her a mutant, but they can't make her an x-man in the Krakoa Era because that would probably require her to ditch everything and move there, and that's a hard sell for a teenage superhero.

Edited by Joshbones on Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:08:30 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28242: Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:09:49 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Nah its never framed as a sexual assault unlike with Nightwing or Invincible it's straight up Cyclops being caught with his pants down inside Emma's mind by Jean.

Who was also making out with Logan earlier.

So yeah all three are kinda shit people.

While ironically enough Emma is Cyclops' healthiest relationship.

The anti Black Cat as Jean is that bad as an MJ to bring this conversation back to Spider-Man.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:32:56 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28243: Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:11:12 PM

Isn't the thing with Invincible actually treated as sexual assault?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28245: Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:34:42 PM

Ah okay I get what you mean.

There's a good lesson here how much leniency characters get, Emma for one gets too much of it cause she's such a "Bad Bitch".

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:35:09 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28246: Jul 2nd 2023 at 2:21:17 PM

It's a love square, not a love triangle. Cyclops was with Emma Frost for the better part of a decade. Albeit, now I'm wondering if she's going to be with Cyclops while married to Tony Stark. If anyone is okay with an open marriage, it'd be him.

Yes let's let the adulterer actually get away away with romancing another person's spouse, probably one of the scummiest thing anyone can ever do

Credit to Namor, he wasn't the sexual aggressor and Sue Sorm wasn't a victim. Sue Storm left Reed to live with Namor because she felt emotionally abandoned. It was also after Reed put Franklin a coma without consulting her.

It wasn't adultery, it was a formal separation and her taking up with another man during it.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 2nd 2023 at 2:22:05 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28247: Jul 2nd 2023 at 4:46:33 PM

Here's a fun thought: What would be each of the Spider(-adjacent) characters Leitmotif based on the year/era they debuted?

Here's a few years of introduction:

Peter Parker 1962

Jessica Drew 1977

Ben Reilly 1975

Venom 1984

Kaine Parker 1994

Miles Morales 2011

Spider-Gwen Stacy 2014

Shadow-Whisperer Comedy guy from Tacoland Since: Jun, 2022
Comedy guy
#28248: Jul 2nd 2023 at 8:40:01 PM

[up]For Kaine, the Nirvana cover of "The Man Who Sold the World" by David Bowie (I got excited for a second about when the original came out, thinking maybe it could relate to Ben, but no that was in 1970).

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#28249: Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:58:29 PM

...Would it be cheating to say Sunflower or What's Up Danger for Miles?

It's the same decade at least, only a seven year difference.

By the same logic I guess Peter gets the 67 cartoon theme.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:01:58 PM

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