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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
I think the bit about Stromm claiming he was only borrowing it also came with the implication he was going to pay back.
Could be wrong, but that’s how I read it.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 1st 2023 at 6:27:28 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"I think the account is actually Oscorp's? So, Stromm taking money out of the company for his own purposes... there's no reason to think that Norman would allow that, or assume that Stromm would pay it back. That's just a textbook crime.
I think Stromm was just thinking Norman wouldn't catch him, as these things go in reality. Maybe he planned to pay it back, maybe he didn't.
I mean, Norman's own thoughts are that he knew Stromm was doing it which is the big thing.
Also, Norman's goal was not to punish Stromm for the theft but to seize Stromm's inventions and ownership of them.
By firing him from the company and voiding his ownership, Norman gained all of the man's creations and their patents.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 1st 2023 at 4:45:01 AM
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Interestingly enough, this actually makes Norman fit the archetype of those looter businessmen that Ayn Rand is fond of making her villains.
And this was before Steve Ditko became a hard core objectivist.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Dikto and Lee's relationship started to break down over Norman apparently. Dikto felt it was silly that he was the Green Goblin.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.No, that's a myth.
Ditko clearly planted Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin, and already showed him as a shady guy. There's all sorts of clues in the original run to foreshadow Norman Osborn being the Green Goblin.
Moreover, Peter didn't even know who Norman Osborn was at the run and they never met in the comics before the reveal.
That's all fake.
Did you forget the quote from Ditko himself that he specifically planted Norman to be there so he could be revealed as the Green Goblin?
All of that is just Romita's speculation, not actual proof. Plus, Stan Lee has admitted in other cases, he had poor memory on this subject.
IIRC I think the split was over payment.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 1st 2023 at 8:49:13 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"I don't think the Kindred arc was bad.
I think it nicely brought back the Sin Eater, did something new with Norman Osborn, involved the Kingpin, and retconned an awful bit of continuity.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 1st 2023 at 8:48:49 AM
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Mephisto.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 6:40:17 PM
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Problem with the making Kindred a Jason Todd like character is Peter's "greatest failure" moment with Gwen ended much differently than with Bruce with Jason.
Norman straight up died (and should have stayed dead instead of the clone saga "Gotcha") to his own glider during his fight with Peter.
Joker went through an entire weird subplot where he became the Iran ambassador and tried to wipe out the UN before the story ended with a helicopter crash. Then everyone went to their regular lives while Jason was six feet under.
Even ignoring Sins Past (trust me I want to) There's little reason for Gwen Stacy's evil soul to come back and torment Peter because he did technically avenge her death. Norman just refuses to stay dead because editorial won't allow it.
Edited by FKJ10 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 1:42:26 AM
The thing is, a new version of the Kindred Saga would, ideally for fans, be a story that reversed both Sins Past AND One More Day, and Marvel have avoided any kind of alternate earth story that could do that.
I mean...we've never got a mini series or ongoing exploring a world where Peter didn't agree to the deal and carried on from where left off during Civil War, with him and MJ as fugitives. You're sort of left to just assume the events of One Moment In Time probably happened with the mindwipe, only Peter and MJ stayed married and raised a family.

BUT being Norman, he decided to have Stromm arrested and pretend he didn't expect Stomm to pay back. I'll get you the panel.
I think you're putting too much stock into Stromm's words.
He SAYS he was just borrowing it without permission (which is embezzlement).
Nowhere does it say that Norman saw it that way, or thought Stromm would pay him back. He only says he might have been too harsh on Stromm, but frankly, he's 100% in the right.