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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#28176: Jun 28th 2023 at 1:17:06 PM

You guys are making Mephisto sound like Marvel's Reverse Flash.

'It was me,Peter!'

Edited by DeanCole on Jun 28th 2023 at 1:18:23 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28177: Jun 28th 2023 at 5:46:39 PM

Mephisto: Remember when you were making out with Felicia and you came right as she touched your leg? You actually made out with me, disguised as Felicia. And I used magic I don’t have to explain, to jerk you off at super sonic speeds so it looked like you nutted at just my touch.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CausativeDust Since: Apr, 2021
#28178: Jun 28th 2023 at 6:37:07 PM

I guess I'll be the outspoken voice in that, while it's certainly a leap compared to the good old days of Spider-Man, the idea of Mephisto becoming an overarching antagonist for Peter in a post-OMD world could actually work? Thematically, the demon that organizes his portfolio around bringing torment and misery would _absolutely_ lock onto the guy who's got such infamous luck. And that it just so happened to allow a connection to a set of Spider-Villains that, coincidentally, didn't already get claimed in the Totem stuff established before! (Also you guys are really gonna say that this shit was out-of-character for either Norman or Harry as if the Clone Saga alone was not a monument for how low a Goblin can go, come on.)

The funny thing with that guy is that before then, he was a joke in the cosmology of Marvel: his whole bit was that despite having a all that power and menace, he was always on the losing side of match-ups and could never break his status quo as the would-be ultimate tormentor. Silver Surfer constantly vexed him, Black Panther punked him out, and his one notable win before this against Dr. Doom - another villain who'd arguably be appropriate to torment - still found a way to overcome him! This guy was the loser Satan that most anyone could tackle just for bragging right... until he got his win.

Not just any win - no, he got to win against marvel's flagship hero Spider-Man, undoing a relationship that was basically Marvel's answer to Superman & Lois! And admittedly for a while, it meant nothing. Marvel tried to brush it to the side, pretend it didn't happen, and convince the audience to please pretend that they didn't absolutely assassinate the dynamic of their leading couple for their franchise. But eventually writers started to realize that, mind-wipe or not, Mephisto would *absolutely* hold this as his crowning jewel of villainy, get the chance to screw over *other* Spider-Men by connection, and taunt the audience that he's at least partly aware of that 'Yeah, they let me win! I ruined the best comic they ever had, and I'll NEVER get punished for it!'

I won't say that OMD was a good decision at all, but that's happened now, and we've been under it for so long that pretending it just didn't happen would feel like an entire betrayal to fans of the book that liked stories that came after it. (Yes they exist, don't get cute) And really, don't you just hope that One Day, when whatever is holding back the book from tackling this (hard copium for the #1000th issue), you can have the couple who've had the worst luck imaginable for their romance get to punch the incarnation of Misery and Torment to finally get their Happy Ending?

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#28179: Jun 28th 2023 at 7:31:32 PM

hes made deals with almost all the spider-men in 616. except kaine and miguel strangely enough. although ben did not fufill his end so who knows maybe his current state is mephistos revenge. or death was right and one more death would make his soul evil forever and it just took a bit

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28180: Jun 28th 2023 at 7:39:27 PM

Mephisto shouldn't win because he's the embodiment of evil in a Tolkien-esque sense.

He's a corrupt, nasty, Evil Is Petty little thing.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28181: Jun 28th 2023 at 8:52:15 PM

[up][up] Kaine is the member of the Spiderfamily that has crawled upwards the most. From the mad stalker that tormented Peter and Ben Reilly, to the guy trying his utmost to protect Houston and keep Ben on the straight and narrow. It might just be that Kaine is the least likely to take any deal from him, regardless of what position he's in.

Also he has Aracely and she's like the human incarnation of Huitzilopochtli or somesuch. That might be a reason.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#28182: Jun 29th 2023 at 10:17:28 AM

> Mephisto shouldn't win because he's the embodiment of evil in a Tolkien-esque sense.

well he can't lose either,can't lose if he's rigged the outcome.

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#28183: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:14:58 AM

Like he was a neglectful dad who DID try to bond with Harry by spoiling him but it's clear he was emotionally distant, and there's that stunt with him framing Stromm for embezzlement.

I keep seeing conflicting details about what happened with Stromm. Didn't the original story state he was embezzling? Was Norman framing him a retcon?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28184: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:48:01 AM

Stromm just borrowed money without permission and intended to pay back and Norman knew this.

BUT being Norman, he decided to have Stromm arrested and pretend he didn't expect Stomm to pay back. I'll get you the panel.

EDIT: Here you go.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/stromm.png

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 30th 2023 at 7:52:17 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28186: Jun 30th 2023 at 7:07:58 AM

Borowing money without permission from a business account is still embezzlement, I think

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28187: Jun 30th 2023 at 7:30:52 AM

Yeah, Stromm assumed that Norman would understand it was just borrowing and would pay it back.

He thought it would be one of those crimes that the victim would understand, he didn't actually expect Norman to twist it into a malicious type of embezzlement.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28188: Jun 30th 2023 at 7:30:58 AM

Norman also knew and arranged for it to be criminally charged so he could steal the company.

Specifically, the designs by his patrner.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 30th 2023 at 7:31:54 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28189: Jun 30th 2023 at 7:32:48 AM

Yeah Norman was the OG corrupt businessman supervillain.

Sure it wasn't to the extent we modern readers would expect but eh.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28191: Jun 30th 2023 at 11:32:23 AM

Edge of Spider-Verse#4 features Arana, and cameos from Mayday and MC 2 Peter, Anya restored Peter to normal and he helps his daughter kick Kingsley's butt

Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#28192: Jun 30th 2023 at 1:49:13 PM

Remember when Anya was one of Mayday's villains.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28193: Jun 30th 2023 at 2:48:15 PM

Didn’t she steal Mayday’s body and try to fuck Black Tarantula with it?

Not cool if true

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#28195: Jun 30th 2023 at 2:58:59 PM

comics man,they can be so contrived at times

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28196: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:31:19 PM

There's fun contrived comic bullshit, and there's unfun contrived comic bullshit. This sounds like the latter.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28197: Jun 30th 2023 at 6:23:52 PM

The MC 2 version of Anya to be exact.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28198: Jun 30th 2023 at 9:42:56 PM

Yeah, I remember Anya did body swap with Mayday once, but I can't remember if she tried to fuck Black Tarantula with May's body.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28200: Jul 1st 2023 at 12:09:21 AM

[up][up] I recall that, yeah. Anya was an ex-lover of Black Tarantula in the MC 2 universe and pulled a 'Superior' with Mayday to try and seduce and kill him. She ended up revealing Mayday's identity to Tarantula when she tried it, but Tarantula somehow was able to see through this deception and could tell it was Anya and they had a fight.

Anya later encountered April Parker and eventually agreed to give Mayday her body back. She made a few more appearances afterwards where she gradually fell in love with the Tarantula again and they eloped

Edited by Zarius on Jul 1st 2023 at 12:09:39 PM


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